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Once again a lot of this is already on BCC but this should round off the info.
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England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index
Registration Year: 1864
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Name: Joseph Thomas Birch
Registration district: Dudley
Volume: 6c
Page: 138

England, Select Births and Christenings
Baptism Place: Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcestershire
Name: Joseph Thomas
Birth Date: 16 Nov 1864
Baptism Date: 8 Jan 1865
Parents: Thomas & Louisa
Surname: Birch

Census 1871
Thomas Birch Head Mar 35 Baker Staffordshire Cosely
Louisa Birch Wife Mar 32 Worcestershire Dudley
Samuel Birch Son 7 Scholar Worcestershire Dudley
Joseph T Birch Son 5 Scholar Worcestershire Dudley
Louisa M Birch Dau 3 Scholar Worcestershire Dudley
Ann E Birch Dau 1 Staffordshire Rowley Regis
Alfred Birch Brother Unm 15 Baker Worcestershire Dudley
Caroline Hoggets Servant 12 Servant Staffordshire Rowley Regis
Address: High Street, Rowley Regis (probably Cradley Heath)

Census 1881
Thomas Birch Head Mar 44 Master Baker Staffordshe Cradley
Louisa Birch Wife Mar 38 Worcestershe Dudley
Samuel Birch Son Unm 17 Bakers Assistant Worcestershe Dudley
Joseph Thomas Birch Son Unm 16 Bakers Assistant Worcestershe Dudley
Louisa Maria Birch Daur 13 Scholar Worcestershe Dudley
Ann Ellen Birch Daur 11 Scholar Staffordshe Cradley Heath Rowley Regis
James Henry Birch Son 9 Scholar Staffordshe Cradley Heath Rowley Regis
Mary Ann Birch Daur 7 Scholar Staffordshe Cradley Heath Rowley Regis
Wesley Birch Son 6 Scholar Staffordshe Cradley Heath Rowley Regis
Alice Birch Daur 4 Scholar Staffordshe Cradley Heath Rowley Regis
Kate Birch Daur 10 mo Staffordshe Cradley Heath Rowley Regis
Joseph Rabone Serv Unm 17 Bakers Journeyman Worcestershe Stourbridge
Address: 133 High St, Cradley Heath

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Name: Joseph Thomas Birch
Spouse: Fanny Maria Griffiths
Registration district: Dudley
Volume: 6c
Page: 120

Census 1891
Arthur Griffiths Head M 45 Chain manufacturer Staff Rowley Regis
Fanny Griffiths Wife M 44 Leicestershire Ashby
Fanny M Birch Daur M 22 Staff Rowley Regis
Joseph T Birch Son-in-law M 25 Baker Worcestershire Dudley
Thomas A G Birch Grand son 10 mo Staff Rowley Regis
Address: 10 High Street, Cradley Heath

Census 1901
Joseph Thomas Birch Head M 36 Journeyman Baker Worcr Dudley
Fanny Maria Birch Wife M 32 Staffs Rowley Regis
Thomas Arthur G Birch Son 10 Staffs Rowley Regis
Marion Birch Daur 8 Staffs Rowley Regis
Fanny Louise Birch Daur 5 Staffs Rowley Regis
Address: 48 Lawrence Lane, Rowley Regis (probably Old Hill)

Census 1911
Joseph Ths. Birch Head 40 Married Baker Dudley
Fanny Maria Birch 42 Married Cradley Heath, Staffs
Married: 24 years
Children born: 4
Children alive: 3
Children dead: 1
T A G Birch Son 20 Single Baker Cradley Heath
Fanny Louise Birch Daughter 15 Single Cradley Heath
Minnie Kathleen Birch Daughter 9 Single Old Hill Staffs
Amy Smith Servant 29 Single Domestic servant Old Hill Staffs
Address: "High House" Lawrence Lane, Old Hill, Staffs

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index
Registration Year: 1913
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Name: Joseph T Birch
Age at Death: 48
Registration district: Dudley
Volume: 6b
Page: 1074

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)
BIRCH Joseph Thomas of Lawrence Lane Old Hill Staffordshire died 30 May 1913 Administration London 22 September to Fanny Maria Birch widow.
Effects £3196 4s. 3d.

England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index
Registration Year: 1868
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Name: Fanny Maria Griffiths
Registration district: Dudley
Volume: 6c
Page: 24

England, Select Births and Christenings
Baptism Place: Reddall-Hill, Stafford, England
Baptism Date: 25 Oct 1868
Name: Fanny Maria
Parents: Arthur & Fanny
Surname: Griffiths

Census 1871
Arthur Griffiths Head Mar 25 Chain maker Staffordshire Rowley Regis
Fanny Griffiths Wife Mar 24 Staffordshire Kingswinford
Fanny M Griffiths Daur 2 Staffordshire Rowley Regis
Benjamin Griffiths Brother Unm 21 Iron merchants clerk Staffordshire Rowley Regis
Sarah Griffiths Sister Unm 19 Staffordshire Rowley Regis
Ellen Griffiths Sister Unm 16 Staffordshire Rowley Regis
Address: High St, Rowley Regis (probably Cradley Heath)

Census 1881
Arthur Griffiths Head Mar 35 Chain Manufacturer Staffordshire Rowley Regis
Fanny Griffiths Wife Mar 34 Staffordshire Rowley Regis
Fanny M. Griffiths Daur 12 Staffordshire Rowley Regis
Address: 10 High Street, Cradley Heath

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index
Registration Year: 1937
Registration Quarter: April May June 1937
Name: Fanny M Birch
Death Age: 68
Registration district: Rowley Regis
Volume: 6b
Page: 873

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)
BIRCH Fanny Maria of High House Lawrence-lane Old Hill Staffordshire widow died 10 April 1937 Probate London 1 June to Thomas Arthur Griffiths Birch baker and Arthur Powell chain manufacturer. Effects £10660 7s. 2d.

And their children:

England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Name: Thomas Arthur G Birch
Registration district: Dudley
Volume: 6c
Page: 30

England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Name: Mary Esther Herrin
Registration district: Stourbridge
Volume: 6c
Page: 170

Census 1901
Henry J Herrin Head M 44 Publican Staff Kingswinford
Annie Herrin Wife M 38 Staff Kingswinford
Annie M Herrin Daur S 14 Staff Kingswinford
Esther Herrin Daur S 8 Staff Kingswinford
William H Herrin Son 3 mo Staff Kingswinford
Jane Smith Serv S 21 General servant Staff Old Hill
Address: Brettle Town, Cradley

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
WEBSTER Beatrice M Dudley 6c 21

Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
Birch Thomas A G Herrin Dudley 6b 2318
Herrin Mary E Birch Dudley 6b 2318

26 July 1915 Christ Church Cradley Heath
Thomas Arthur Griffiths BIRCH 25 B Master Baker Lawrence Lane Old Hill Father Joseph Thomas Birch (Dec) Master Baker
Mary Esther HERRIN 22 S 19 Netherend Cradley Father Henry Jabez Herrin Manager Hardware Works
Wit; Chas G Herrin Hr J Herrin

Marriages Mar 1930 (>99%)
Birch Thomas A G Webster Stourbridge 6c 66
Webster Beatrice M Birch Stourbridge 6c 66
Thomas wasn't spoken of in my branch of the family, but he is supposed to have run off with a barmaid and got divorced.

1939 Register
"Restdene" Hanbury Hill , Stourbridge
Thomas A G Birch 20 May 1890 Male Master Baker & Confectioner Retired Incapacitated Married
Beatrice M Birch 21 Feb 1897 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Closed record

possible
Deaths Dec 1954 (>99%)
Birch Mary E 63 Wolverhampton 9b 874

possible
England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index
Registration year: 1962
Registration quarter: Oct Nov Dec
Name: Mary E Birch
Death Age: 71
Registration district: Dudley
Volume: 9d
Page: 76

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index
Registration year: 1963
Registration quarter: Oct Nov Dec 1963
Name: Thomas A G Birch
Death Age: 73
Registration district: Stourbridge
Volume: 9d
Page: 220

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)
BIRCH Thomas Arthur Griffiths of Restdene Worcester Street Stourbridge Worcestershire died 9 November 1963 Probate London 19 February to Beatrice May Birch widow £6666

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index
Registration year: 1991
Registration quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Name: Beatrice May Birch
D.o.B: 19 Jan 1905
Registration district: Bromsgrove
Volume: 29
Page: 23

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)
BIRCH Beatrice May of 182 Knowle Rd. Sparkhill Birmingham died 17 April 1991 Probate Birmingham 12 September Not exceeding £125000. 9151211392X

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Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Birch Marion Dudley 6c 18

Deaths Sep 1904 (>99%)
BIRCH Marion 11 Dudley 6c 51

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Births Mar 1896 (>99%)
Birch Fanny Louise Dudley 6c 24

Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
BIRCH Fannie L Hingley Dudley 6b 2043
Hingley Horace J Birch Dudley 6b 2043

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index
Registration year: 1989
Registration quarter: Oct Nov Dec
Name: HINGLEY, Fanny Louise
D.o.B: 1 Feb 1896
Registration district: Sandwell
Volume: 33
Page: 1367

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)
HINGLEY Fanny Louise of --- died 9 November 1989 Probate London 15 Mar 1900

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Births Dec 1901 (>99%)
BIRCH Minnie Kathleen Dudley 6c 31

Marriages Jun 1936 (>99%)
Birch Minnie K Tandy Bromsgrove 6c 725
Tandy Thomas W Birch Bromsgrove 6c 725

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index
Registration year: 1989
Registration quarter: Oct Nov Dec
Name: TANDY, Minnie Kathleen
D.o.B: 11 Nov 1901
Registration district: South Staffordshire
Volume: 30
Page: 1217

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)
TANDY Minnie Kathleen of 37 Compton Rd Cradley Heath Warley West Midlands died 7 November 1989 Probate Birmingham 21 November Not exceeding £100000
8951213370W

There are a couple of possible Thomas William Tandys which I'm unable to differentiate.

Something doesn´t add up with Beatrice M Webster? 1939 says she was born 1897? You have 1911 and her death says 1905?? Was she married before?

I'd missed that, that 1911 birth can't be correct, family gossip had it that she was much younger than Thomas. I think the closed record in 1939 was a child from before her relationship with Thomas as family gossip also had it that my father & I were the only descendants of my grandparents generation.
Do you want me to retrace that bit or will you?

I have added her as unknown. The marriage certificate/look up is needed to confirm. I can´t add to BCC with family lore...

I have just looked and it is a register office so a certificate is needed, it can´t be looked up.

Ok, it looks like the 1939 Register is accurate
FreeBMD has
Deaths Mar 1981 (51%)
BIRCH BEATRICE MAY 21FE1897 SHREWSBURY 30 338

There are FreeBMD records:
Births Jun 1897 (>99%)
Crampton Beatrice May Stourbridge 6c 148

Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
Crampton Beatrice M Webster Dudley 6b 2336
Webster David H Crampton Dudley 6b 2336

There's a daughter:
Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Webster Hilda E Crampton Dudley 6b 2077

But I can't find them in 1939, maybe someone else could find them?

David H Webster might be:
Births Jun 1892 (>99%)
Webster David Horace Dudley 6c 107

It is just guess work SRD. I can´t add that without evidence, sorry.

there is this one,
23 Witley Avenue , Halesowen M.B., Worcestershire.

David Webster 24 May 1891 Male Colliery Hewer Heavy Worker. Married. 50. 1.
Mary E Webster. 11 Mar 1893. Female. Unpaid Domestic Dut. Married. 50. 2.
George C Webster. 21 Jun 1915. Male. Carpenter & Joiner. Single. 50. 3.
LOCKED.
David L Webster. 24 Aug 1922. Male. Bricklayer. Single. 50. 5.
Noel Webster. 23 Dec 1925. Male. At School. Single. 50. 6.
Jack Webster. 25 Feb 1928. Male. At School. Single. 50. 7.

WEBSTER, GEORGE  CEPHAS   JAMES.
GRO Reference: 1915  S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE  Volume 06C  Page 12.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1913.
WEBSTER * David. JAMES Mary E. Stourbridge Register Office. Dudley Register Office. 001/029/53.

I have added all I feel I can until there is a marriage cert.

WEBSTER, DAVID  HORACE   TROMANS.
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 107.
 

Flagging to archive thanks for adding Jo

grangers14 wrote:It is just guess work SRD. I can´t add that without evidence, sorry.

I agree, but the 1939 Register & Death Record confirmation at least give us Beatrice May Birch's dates even if it doesn't show her maiden/married name.

Jimmy wrote:WEBSTER, DAVID  HORACE   TROMANS.
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 107.
 

That's interesting, I wonder if he links in with the work that was being done on the Tromans a few weeks ago.

I think it is Crampton
on the 1911 census Beatrice May is there with family brother is a baker and confectioner
she is an assistant

going to run with it want to link to tromans may send off for certif.
my head on block if incorrect