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Both of these connect to Linnell....

This Ambrose Yardley:
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=411831

Married this Sarah Jane Allchurch:
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=411831

Marriage from FreeReg:
5 Apr 1886, Christ Church, Quarry Bank
Ambrose Yardley, 28, Bachelor, Anvil Maker, father William Yardley, Anvil Maker
Sarah Jane Allchurch, 28, Spinster, Amblecote, father JOSEPH Allchurch, (Deceased).
Witn: Benjamin Billingham, John King

Note: it says her father is Joseph, but everything else fits - is Linnell still around?

Some children for this couple from the census:
Joe b1880 Lye
Edith b1889 Sheffield
Ambrose b1892 Sheffield

sp1 wrote:Both of these connect to Linnell....

This Ambrose Yardley:
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=411831

Married this Sarah Jane Allchurch:
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=411831

Marriage from FreeReg:
5 Apr 1886, Christ Church, Quarry Bank
Ambrose Yardley, 28, Bachelor, Anvil Maker, father William Yardley, Anvil Maker
Sarah Jane Allchurch, 28, Spinster, Amblecote, father JOSEPH Allchurch, (Deceased).
Witn: Benjamin Billingham, John King

Note: it says her father is Joseph, but everything else fits - is Linnell still around?

There is a baptism 25 Apr 1858, Old Swinford, Sarah Jane, dau of Joseph & Elizabeth Allchurch.

Now I'm confused: was this her parents, or were her parents Thomas & Ann - the 1881 suggests the latter...

ALLCHURCH, SARAH     JONES.
GRO Reference: 1858  M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE  Volume 06C  Page 209.

ALLCHURCH, SARAH  JANE   BANFIELD.  
GRO Reference: 1858  S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE  Volume 06C  Page 167.

Think I've solved it:

That bapt for Sarah Jane, dau of Joseph & Elizabeth Allchurch must be the one who married Ambrose Yardley - the reason she was able to call Julietta (b1870) and John William (b 1860) - (children of Thomas Allchurch & Ann Jones) her sister in law and brother in law in 1881 is that John William Allchurch was married to her sister Mary Elizabeth Allchurch, b abt 1861....

Incidentally, that marriage at Clent, 8 Aug 1847, for Thomas Allchurch & Ann Jones has his father as Elijah Allchurch, and Ann Jones has Mary Jones in place of father (so she was probably illegitimate). I think Thomas's bapt was 24 Apr 1825, Old Swinford, son of Elijah Allchurch & Mary.

Jimmy wrote:ALLCHURCH, SARAH  JANE   BANFIELD.  
GRO Reference: 1858  S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE  Volume 06C  Page 167.

Think that clinches it Jimmy -there is a marriage registered 1853, Holy Trinity, Wordsley, Sept Qtr, Joseph Allchurch & Elizabeth Bampfield (sic).

1881. Lye.
Sarah Jane Allchurch 23.
Jasper William Allchurch 1.
Mary E. Yardley 20. Sister.
John W. Allchurch 24. Brother.
Juiletta Allchurch 11. Sister.
John W. Yardley 20. Brother in law.

1871. Lye.
Elizabeth Allchurch 41. Widow. Wordsley, Staffs.
Thomas Allchurch 16.
Jane Allchurch 13.
M Elizabeth Allchurch 10.
J William Allchurch 7.
Julia Ella Allchurch 5 Months.

They connect to me, too.

Yes, Sarah Jane who married Ambrose Yardley is the daughter of Joseph Allchurch who married Elizabeth Bampfield at Wordsley in 1853. If you want marriage details, let me know. Joseph was the son of Thomas Allchurch (1787 - 1844) and Mary nee Aston.

Thomas Allchurch, baptised in 1825, who married Anne Jones at Clent was the son of Elijah Allchurch and Mary nee Aston - Elijah was the brother of Thomas (1787-1844) above. Thomas and Elijah were the sons of of John Allchurch and Ann nee Simkis. I'm also descended from John and Ann through their eldest son, John.

If you want any further information let me know.

Marchesgirl wrote:They connect to me, too.

Yes, Sarah Jane who married Ambrose Yardley is the daughter of Joseph Allchurch who married Elizabeth Bampfield at Wordsley in 1853. If you want marriage details, let me know. Joseph was the son of Thomas Allchurch (1787 - 1844) and Mary nee Aston.

Thomas Allchurch, baptised in 1825, who married Anne Jones at Clent was the son of Elijah Allchurch and Mary nee Aston - Elijah was the brother of Thomas (1787-1844) above. Thomas and Elijah were the sons of of John Allchurch and Ann nee Simkis. I'm also descended from John and Ann through their eldest son, John.

If you want any further information let me know.

Thanks, that's very interesting. I've been looking at those - weren't they in Amblecote/ bottom of Brettell Lane?
I think they connect to me too, I'm not at home so can't check my notes, but I think my connection possibly through the Astons.
That 1853 marriage would be useful.

Joseph Allchurch and Elizabeth Bampfield were married at Holy Trinity Church, Wordsley on 26th September 1853:

Joseph Allchurch, 24, bachelor, Miner of Wordsley, son of Thomas Allchurch, Miner, m, Elizabeth Bampfield, 24, spinster of Wordsley, daughter of Isaac Bampfield, Carpenter. By Banns. He made mark, she signed name. Wits: Richard Husselbee & Elizabeth Jones.

The tree on BCC showing the children of Thomas Allchurch and Anne nee Jones comprises some of their children and some of Joseph & Elizabeths.

Children of Thomas Allchurch and Anne nee Jones are:
Elijah (1849-1867)
Arthur William (1851-1903); married Mary Ann Meese at St. Thomas's Dudley on 28th February 1869
Eliza Allchurch (1852-1895); married John Peacock at Holy Trinity Church, Wordsley on 28th April 1872
Samuel Allchurch (1854-1917); married Elizabeth Hardwick at St. Martin's Church, Tipton on 15th March 1874
Thomas Allchurch (1856-1870)
Sarah Allchurch (1859-)
George Henry Allchurch (1863-)
William Allchurch(1866-)
Elisha Allchurch (1868-)

Children of Joseph Allchurch and Elizabeth nee Bampfield are:
Thomas Allchurch (1854-); married Leah Perrins
Ann Elizabeth Allchurch (1856-1858)
Sarah Jane Allchurch (1858-); married Ambrose Yardley at Christ Church, Quarry Bank on 5th April 1886
Mary Elizabeth Allchurch (1861-); married John Yardley at Holy Trinity Church, Amblecote on 28th December 1880
John William Henry Allchurch (1864-); married Harriet Dyson
Julia Ellen Allchurch (1870-); married Joseph Tromans at St. Andrew's Church, Netherton on 25th May 1890

I'm happy to provide details of any baptisms, marriages, burials, census returns that I have in my notes if this helps.

Yes, a lot of Allchurches settled in Amblecote - many of them were involved in clay mining. There seems to have been a lot of inter-marriage between the Allchurch and Aston families. Three of John Allchurch and Ann nee Simpkis's children married Astons - Sabina (1782-1863) to Richard Aston at Oldswinford in 1802; Thomas (1787-1844) to Mary Aston at Halesowen in 1819 and Elijah (1792-1843) to Mary Aston at Kingswinford in 1819.

Thanks, that's really useful.

No wonder I was initially confused if those two families on BCC are mixed up!

Just spotted another connection- that Mary Ann Meese must be one of mine.....

Think this is probably Elizabeth 'Bampfield ':
Bapt 5 July 1829, Kingswinford, Elizabeth dau of Isaac & Elizabeth Bamfield

Edit to add:
I think I'll start another thread on n the Bamfield family as I've found an interesting census entry which leads to more....