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This is new thread related to Two Edward Owen and Two James Owen Thread

First wife of James Owen Sarah Ann Steventon died 1888 West Bromwich aged 50

and in 1891 James is living with new wife Elizabeth Whale ( nee Cooper)
1891 Census Canal Side Oldbury West Bromwich Worcs.
James Owen Head 52 (m) Bricklayer
James Owen son 19 Bricklayer Labourer
Mary A. Owen dau 17
Sarah A. Owen dau 10
Fanny Owen dau 7days
Frederick Whale step.son 10 Scholar
Louisa Whale step.dau 7 Scholar
Thomas Whale step.son 3 Scholar
Elizabeth Owen wife 32
Dinah Cooper lodger 55 (wid) Washer Woman born Tipton Staffs.
Henry Smith lodger 41 Gas Fitters Labourer born Old Hill Staffs.

Note :-a) Elizabeth Owen wife is recorded not immediately after James Owen but down list of inhabitants
Cannot find marriage)
Older Owen Children registered as mother Steventon
Fanny Registered as mother Cooper
Whale children registered as mother Cooper

and in
1901 Census Canal Street Oldbury West Bromwich Worcs.
Elizabeth Whale Head 44 (wid)
Frederick Whale son 20 Labourer Highway Dept.
Thomas Whale son 12
All born Oldbury Worcs.

1901 Census 4 Roveland Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Abraham Whitehouse Head Boat Unloader Rubbish born Tipton Staffs.
Mary A. Whitehouse wife 28
Mary A. Whitehouse dau 7 born Rowley Regis Staffs.
James Whitehouse son 2
James Owen father.in.law 62 (wid) Bricklayer
Rest born Oldbury Worcs.

1911 Census 142 Moor Street Street Oldbury West Bromwich Worcs.
Elizabeth Wale Head 53 (wid) born
John Young Boarder 40 Gas Stoker born Dudley Worcs.
Sarah Howell Boarder 48 (wid)
George Pace Boarder 28 Boiler Rivetter
Rest born West Bromwich Staffs.

I do not think James Owen and Elizabeth Whale (nee Cooper ) married and need to find Married between Elizabeth Cooper and a Whale or Wale
Thomas Whale son 12
All born Oldbury Worcs.

I can't see any marriages for Elizabeth Cooper to a Whale, or Whale to an Owen.

Another child that died,

WHALE, ELLEN     COOPER.
GRO Reference: 1886  M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 806.

Deaths Sep 1887.
Whale  Ellen.  1.  W. Bromwich.  6b. 402.

Thanks Jimmy,
I do not think Elizabeth Cooper married either but lived with them

Jimmy wrote:Another child that died,

WHALE, ELLEN     COOPER.
GRO Reference: 1886  M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 806.

Deaths Sep 1887.
Whale  Ellen.  1.  W. Bromwich.  6b. 402.

mumbles have added in unknown Whale and adding in this one
will add in frederick and thomas whale too

Field Value
County Worcestershire
Place (link for place information) Oldbury
Church name Christ Church
Register type Parish Register
Baptism date 02 Jul 1862
Person forename Elizabeth
Person sex F
Person abode Canal Street
Father forename Henry
Father surname COOPER
Father occupation Pig Dealer
Mother forename Dinah

Father on dau Louisas marriage is a John Whale labourer

so can we find Frederick on 1881 census with parents John and Elizabeth Whale

or can we find a marriage for a John Whale and Elizabeth cooper?

No marriage, and can't see any of them in 1881.

I have Henry Cooper Census Details and marriage to Dinah Mills and can connect to my Charles family . I will add

From family records :-
PORTER Minnie WALE Frederick West Bromwich, St John Sandwell Register Office 24/3/97 1904

STANLEY Beatrice WALE Thomas West Bromwich, St Peter Sandwell Register Office 29/3/493 1910


Marriages Jun 1864 Chesterfield Derbys.
Abel Philip Chesterfield
Owen Phillis Chesterfield 7b 820 (sister of James Owen)

This is of interest as connects to William Abel born 1800 ( On bcc)

Phoebe Whale born 1911 ( dau of Frederick Whale and Minnie Porter ) married my Uncle Edward Ernest Charles born 1906 (on bcc)

Just slotting in dinah mills and Henry cooper if you can do hons on other connections

mumbles wrote:I have Henry Cooper Census Details and marriage to Dinah Mills and can connect to my Charles family . I will add

when did they marry can anyone find it pls and dob for Dinah I have 1822 and 1835 on census

FreeReg,

Worcestershire. Oldbury. Christ Church.
Register entry number 393.
Marriage date 06 Nov 1854.

Henry COOPER. 28. widower. Birmingham Street. Pig dealer. Benjamin COOPER. Pig dealer.
Dinah MILLS. 28. spinster. Hill Top. James MILLS. Boatman.
Witness
Benjamin FLETCHER.
Witness
Charlotte FLETCHER.
Register note Groom & Bride sign X.

FreeReg,

Staffordshire. West Bromwich. All Saints.
Register entry number 254.
Baptism date 23 Nov 1834.

Dinah.
Hockley Heath.
James MILLS. Labourer.
Dinah.

1841. Oak Lane, West Bromwich.
James Mills 30. Labourer.
Dinah Mills 40.
James Mills 14.
Sarah Mills 11.
Dinah Mills 5.
Fanny Mills 4.
Selina Mills 2.

MILLS, SELINA  CLARKSON   WRIGHT.
GRO Reference: 1839  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 18  Page 569.