Frank Baker 1889.Harry Hill?

[Mabel]

My great-grandfather George Baker 1886 had a brother called Frank.
Can he be added to connections.

Their father James died young and left 3 and 4 Bank Street to the two boys when they were teenagers.
Frank did not live at no 4 I think he must have rented it to his sister Annie and husband and Jo Davies.
There children were Gwendoline and Robert Davies. They could also go on. See 1881,91,1901 and 1911 census.
I notice that John and Nancy Nancy, Lois Appleby live at 1 Bank Street. (Re enforces there connection with Bakers).
My father mentions his mothers brother Harry Hill in some memoirs he wrote but I have not been able to find him on any census, dad remembers him for getting drunk and breaking the windows in Bank Street. Grandma Lizzie Hill came from Netherton -Darby End. In 1891 Samuel Hill and Elizabeth and family lived at no 4 Bank Street but a can't connect them to Lizzie. The house may have been let to them or they may be relatives of the Bakers.
James Baker definitely had no 3 and 4 built. There was a chain shop at the back of these houses. Interestingly by father writes 'people crossed in front of our house between the brew house and the house over a paved way called the' fowed'-fold to get to no 4.
There was ONE WC for both houses built behind the brew house

[mallosa]

I think this is your family Mabel - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=403830

1891: 3 Bank Street, Rowley Regis
James Baker 44 Head Coalminer
Ellen Baker 41 Wife
Mary A Baker 18 Dau Dressmaker
Emmie Baker 14 Dau
Annie E Baker 10 Dau
Hannah Baker 7 Dau
George Baker 5 Son
Frank Baker 2 Son
(all born Rowley Regis)

# Living at No 4 are Samuel Hill (46) & wife Elizabeth (47) with their 8 children and a grandson

1901: 3 Bank Street
Ellen Baker 51 Head Widow
Emmie Baker 24 S Chainmaker
Annie Baker 21 S Chainmaker
Hannah Baker 17 S Screw Factory
George Baker 15 White Glaze Labourer/ Earth
Frank Baker 12

# there is no number 4 but living at no 5 are John Davies (23) setter in pipe kilns and wife J? (25)

I've added the above census and Frank to BCC

[mallosa]

1911: 12 Cherry Orchard,Old Hill, Staffordshire
Frank Baker 22 Head Crab-Winch Fitter Rowley Regis
Emma Baker 22 Wife Cradley Heath, Staffs

[Mabel]

I think my Ellen Baker nee Smith can be found age 10 78 Coxes Lane father John Smith mother Eliz Smith. James Baker age 11 can be found 90 Coxes Lane son of Samuel and Hannah. Next to the Appleby's. 1861 census What do you think. I think my Davies are in Coxes lane too.

[mallosa]

added as much as I've got time for Mabel

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =938505936

[Northern Lass]

will move to arc unless you need help on anything else mabel.

[mumbles]

1939 Register for 3 and 4 Bank Street Rowley Regis Staffs.
No.3
George Baker 26/9/1885 Edge Coal Grinder
Elizabeth Baker 16/12/1883
Harry Baker 12/4/1874 ? Railway Porter

No. 4
Joseph Brettell 29/9/1913 Pharmacist Manager
Hannah Brettell 26/4/1910

75 Trejon Road Rowley Regis Staffs.
Frank Baker 22/11/1888 Foreman Lifting Appliances ( also Corporal St. John Ambulance Grade 1 Anti Gas )
Emma Baker 7/5/1888
Cissie Baker ( Gregory) 23/7/1919

Possible Marriages :-

BAKER Frank GRAINGER Emma Cradley Heath, St Luke Sandwell Register Office 20/4/365 1907

BAKER George E GREEN Elizabeth Cradley, St Peter Dudley Register Office 013/003/372 1912

BAKER Cissie GREGORY Joseph Cradley Heath, Holy Trinity Sandwell Register Office 19/8/81 1940

BRETTLE Joseph E WILLETTS Hannah Cradley Heath, Holy Trinity Sandwell Register Office 19/7/388 1937

Note cannot post all info on 1939 Register onto bcc

[mumbles]

Forget George E. Baker marriage above

This one ties up with one on bcc
HILL Lizzie BAKER George Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/012/338 1908

But it is 1908 and not 1907 and reverse of marriage George to Lizzie also shows 1908

Is the Harry Baker on 1939 son born 1914 and is a wrong transcript shown as born 12/4/1874 and should be 12/4/1914

[Mabel]

Its Harry Baker 1914, dad's brother. Joseph Brettell married my mother Mabel Willetts's sister Hannah Willetts they move in to 4 Bank Street in the 30's that's how mom and dad met when she went to visit her sister. I'm still looking for Harry Hill Lizzie's brother. Have a postcard picture signed H Hill so he must exist. Looks like another brick wall.

[mallosa]

This might be a silly question but could he have been Henry Hill?

[Mabel]

My father wrote when uncle Harry paid us a visit..............my mother who was his sister. I think it must be William Hill on 91 and 01 census 92 Reddall Hill Rd. Found two more siblings Florrie10 and John 8(01cen). Short for William Henry. In 01 Lizzie was in service as a ladies maid. Think I have to give this one a rest. Thanks for putting Frank on BBC.

[Northern Lass]

Mabel do we have a dob for Mabel willetts?

and do you have the full marriage info you can transcribe and post and I can add to Bcc.

we should have Mabels family on Bcc....which ones are they Mabel?


1942
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WILLETTS Mabel BAKER John Dudley Register Office (Rowley Regis District) Dudley Register Office ROW/08C/218

think it goes here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =738369679

and
1937
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WILLETTS Hannah BRETTLE Joseph E Cradley Heath, Holy Trinity Sandwell Register Office 19/7/388

just need dob for Mabel and Hannah willetts confirmed pls Mabel and are they part of the link here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =738369679

also do you have the date of death for Mabel please Mabel...I can add to bcc if deceased

[Northern Lass]

Its Harry Baker 1914, dad's brother. Joseph Brettell married my mother Mabel Willetts's sister Hannah Willetts they move in to 4 Bank Street in the 30's that's how mom and dad met when she went to visit her sister. I'm still looking for Harry Hill Lizzie's brother. Have a postcard picture signed H Hill so he must exist. Looks like another brick wall.

So this Harry HIll do we have a dob?

when was the postcard signed what year?

[Mabel]

Mabel Willetts 22/05/1921 Hannah Willetts 1910ish there is an eleven year gap between Hannah and Mabel. Other siblings Edward Benjamin Samuel John and Joseph.Parents Edward and Mabel Willetts b.1880. Sorry no date of birth on Harry Hill. Now believe Lizzie Hill was in service 1901 cen. 22 23 Cole Street, for Charles and Eliza Read Breeze burner. Other servants Loiuse Warrall, Ellen Westwood. This Lizzie born Netherton , other Lizzie Rowley Regis. Date fits better. Bit worried about accuracy of my Hill tree that's why I am checking. Bakers seem OK. Hills annoyingly difficult. Grandma was very proud she had been in service.

[Northern Lass]

Do you have the date of death of Mabel and Hannah then I can add them to Bcc
and do you have the full marriage info for Mabel Willetts and John Baker that you could post?