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1901: His Majestys Prison, Worcestershire
Luther Charles 16 Carpenter (Apprentice) Old Hill, Staffs

1891: 75 Cradley Road, Rowley Regis
Thomas Charles 39 Head Coal Miner & Publican Briierley Hill, Staffs
Leah Charles 38 Wife
John Charles 20 Son
Matilda Charles 13 Dau
Enzie Charles 10 Dau
Emily Charles 8 Dau
Luther Charles 5 Son
Joseph Charles 3 Son
Ezra Charles 1 Son
(others born Rowley Regis)

Looks like this family to me - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=388189

1901: Ash Tree Street, Pelsall, Staffs
Thomas Charles 49 Head Coal Miner Brierley Hill
Leal (LEAH) Charles 48 Wife
John Charles 30 Son married Coal Miner
Thomas Charles 27 Son S (looks like Soldier on Furlough)
Isaac Charles 22 Son S
Joseph Charles 14 Son
Ezra Charles 11 Son
Mary Charles 9 Dau Cradley Heath
Edith Charles 7 Dau Cradley Heath
Gladys Charles 3 Dau Kings Norton
Iva (Ira?)Charles 1 Son Kings Norton
Alice Grocott 20 Visitor S Wem Shropshire
(others born Old Hill, Staffs)

1901: His Majestys Prison, Worcestershire
Luther Charles 16 Carpenter (Apprentice) Old Hill, Staffs

Is this the same one?

1911: All Saints, Birmingham.
Char Luther [Luther Charles] Prisoner 25 single formally Miner down Pit Birmingham, Warwickshire

He was tried for burglary and stealing in 1896,1901,1900,1903,1906,1909,1911 and 1912

Where did you get that info from Mumbles? Was he the same one that I found in 1901 and 1911
I'm curious to know what became of him

From Find my past :- I will transcribe and post

but it looks like he Attested to South Staffs. Regiment in January 1902 no.6680
Luther Charles 17 Labourer of Old Hill Dudley Staffs.
Current address Pelsall Walsall Staffs.
New Street Green Tandy Villa
Employer Mr. J Kenbull Stoke Prior Worcs.
Lye Fields Farm
Tattooed both arms
Absent from Training Regiment 15/1/1902
9/6/1902
9/7/02

National Schools Admission Register
Kinver Board School , Kinver Staffs.
Luther Charles born 15/2/1885
From 2/9/1895 to 7/10/1895

In 21/7 1896 Luther Charles 12 born 1884 was tried at Stafford Court with his brother Isaac Charles and pleaded guilty of 2nd count receiving and his father entered into recognizances of £5 for him to come up for judgement if called upon , Victims name Ellen Billingham
Isaac Charles Shoemaker had previous record :-
18/3/1891 Old Hill Travelling on Railway without paying fare fined 20s and costs
1/4/1891 Old Hill Stealing 4s sent to industrial School
on this occasion
30/5/1896 Rowley Regis Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling hose of Ellen Billingham and stealing £2 16s 0d pleaded guilty and sentenced to 2 calendar months hard labourer

England and Wales Crime and Punishment Records :-
Stafford Assizes 24/7/1896 Burglary Bound Over
Old Hill Petty Sessions 14/10/1896 Stealing Gold ,Albertand Silver Chain 5 years reformatory as ditto ditto ditto
Stealing clothing 7 days as ditto ditto
Kings Heath ditto ditto 10/8/1900 stealing cake ,& c. Licence revoked as ditto
Worcester County Sessions 9/4/1901 Burglary ,9 months Hard Labour as ditto ,once summarily for same 1895

15/5/1903 Worcester on 1) 14/5/1903 Feloniously did break & enter the house of Arthur John Urwick and therein did feloniously steal 8ozs. cheese the goods and chattels of said Arthur John Urwick
on 2) 10/5/1903 Feloniously did break & enter the house of Florence Emily Gardner and therein did feloniously steal 1 metal watch, 1 metal chain,8ozs. sausages & two Tame Fowl's eggs the goods and chattels of said Florence Emily Gardener
Pleaded Guilty sentenced 3 years Penal Servitude to run concurrently with indictment 1)


I have more to add later

18/10/1906
Warwickshire Coventry
Luther Charles Labourer 21
Previous record repeated plus
Licence Revoked Curragh 28/2/1903 failing to report ( this looks like sent to military training)
plus 15/8/1906 at Foleshill Feloniously and Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling house of Richard Jacques & stealing therein
£17 8s 6d
Pleaded guilty and sentenced to 4 years penal servitude

Wakefield Prison Luther Charles alias William Thompson
Penal servitude 18/10/1906 Coventry Warks. discharged 4/12/1909
Released to live in Wakefield as a Carpenter
Marks :-r side of head Peacock,Sailor,Snake,Flower,Soldier's head,and bird on Branch
r . Woman's head, flowers,lion's head ,cross,Heart, & anchor l arm flower & Butterfly r flower. l. hand

1904 Habitual Criminals Register prison Dartmoor
1903 Luther Charles born 1884 Old Hill occupation Address Worcester trade Joiner
Marks Anchor 1 wrist,Heart,1 hand,peacock,butterfly,soldier & parrott
Convicted Burglary @ Worcester sessions 3 years Penal Servitude 7/6/1903 to 16/6/1906
Intended address on release noted at 23/10/1905 Walsall trade Baker

1912 Luther Charles 25 born 1887
Stafford Assizes
Previous record all repeated plus additional :-
14 days Walsall 24/4/1911 Failing to report
Pleaded guilty
plus with a George Hackett on 1) 14/5/1912 at Aldridge Burglariously breaking and entering house of George Hill and stealing therein 4ilbs. bread, 8 ozs. butter ,8 ozs. lard, 3 ilbs. Ham, 1 curtain,2 plates, his goods not sentenced on this indictment but
on 5/5/1912 again with George Hackett at Aldridge burglariously breaking & entering house of Frank Thomas Butts 7 stealing 3 pints gin,2 bottles peppermint,
4lbs. bread,8 ozs. tobacco, his goods
2) 13.5.1912 at Great Barr Burglariously breaking and entering house of Linnaus Middleton and stealing therein 1 pint bottle Whiskey ,8 ozs. cheese,8 ozs. butter, & other articles his goods and chattels

some of records show he used alias William Thompson
Sentenced 12 months hard Labour

mallosa wrote::o Where did you get that info from Mumbles? Was he the same one that I found in 1901 and 1911
I'm curious to know what became of him

Well, I did ask didn't I A bit of a bad lad then eh?

...and all those marks?

Isaac Charles Shoemaker

He was a Coal Miner in 1901 and a Coal Hewer and Loader in 1911, perhaps when he left school?

Thanks for transcribing all that Mumbles, must have taken you ages.

from ancestry...

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Isaac Charles
Birth Place: Old Hill, Staffs
Residence: Pelsall, Staffs
Death Date: 25 Mar 1918
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Wolverhampton
Rank: Private
Regiment: South Staffordshire Regiment
Battalion: 1st 5th Battalion (Territorial Force)
Regimental Number: 17386
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

same record for Isaac Charles but note that effects sent to mother Leah £5 1s 8d 1/7/1918
buried at Longunesse Cemetary Departement Pais De Calais France

Luther - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=388335

Isaac - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=388335

Completed with thanks