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I'm wondering if there is a family tree linking to above named areas on any family tree website i.e. something like BlackCountryConnections?

I currently have: -

1. William Howard Mapp
BIRTH 17 JUL 1897 • Cradley, HalesOwen, Worcestershire.
DEATH 16 JUL 1957 • 30, Saltbrook Road, Lye, Stourbridge, Worcestershire.
Married Ann Florella Hill on 15 July, 1923 at Christ church, Quarry Bank.

W H Mapp's father: -
2. George Mapp
BIRTH ABT 1863 • Mamble, Worcestershire
DEATH Unknown
Married to
Susannah Reed
BIRTH ABT 1864 • Stambermill, Stourbridge, Worcestershire
DEATH Unknown

George Mapp's father: -
3. Thomas Mapp
BIRTH ABT 1839 • Mamble, Worcestershire, England
DEATH 1924
married to
Mary Dukeshill
BIRTH ABT 1837 • Wheathill, Shropshire, England
DEATH 10 OCTOBER 1892 • Mamble

Thomas' father: -
4. William Mapp
BIRTH 1804 • Mamble, Worcestershire, England
DEATH 1890 • Worcester, Worcestershire, England
Married to
Susannah Dukes
BIRTH 1807 • Rock, Worcestershire, England
DEATH OCTOBER 1878 • Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire

Who was William's father?

Was he George Mapp christened on 17 April 1793 who married Ann Mills? or was he also called William born about 1773 who married ? Ardle?

not sure what you are asking.
We have your William Howard here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=31274218

so there are some more bits we could add if I have a min need to check them first

but are you meaning an area tree
so any from Rock are listed? any from Cleobury mortimer ?

not sure what you are asking?

I'm sorry that it doesn't seem clear to what I'm asking...

Yes you have William Howard Mapp on http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=31274218 as he was born in Cradley. I didn't think BCC covered outside areas like Mamble or Rock hence my first question, which is there something similar to BCC covering outside of Black Country? Does BCC also cover Mamble & Rock?

Second question, at the bottom of my first post, was who was William Mapp's father? Was he George Mapp or William Mapp?

Ancestry,
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975.


William Mapp.
Gender: Male.
Baptism Date: 6 Jun 1804.
Baptism Place: Mamble, Worcester, England.
Father: William Mapp.
Mother: Sarah.
FHL Film Number: 992321.
Reference ID: item 1.

1841. Mamble.
William Mapp 68. Ag lab.
Sarah Mapp 65.

Waltzer7 wrote:I'm sorry that it doesn't seem clear to what I'm asking...

Yes you have William Howard Mapp on http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=31274218 as he was born in Cradley. I didn't think BCC covered outside areas like Mamble or Rock hence my first question, which is there something similar to BCC covering outside of Black Country? Does BCC also cover Mamble & Rock?

Second question, at the bottom of my first post, was who was William Mapp's father? Was he George Mapp or William Mapp?

Ah gottcha.
Ok to answer re Bcc yes we do cover it as long as one foot is in the BC area of one of the rellies
So cos Wm Howard is born Cradley he is the one foot in the Bc area...then it is wherever the line weaves to...so I have added some more to Bcc
but as this thread is now re Wm Mapps father b 1807 in an area outside the Bc I will move this thread to the General discussion area.

it would help if we had that full marriage info for Wm Mapp and wife Susannah Dukes
24 Feb 1828 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire

as the wits maybe one of Wm Mapps bro or sister

where did you get those possible bapts from
and do you have the marriage of Wm Mapp and Susannah Dukes?

Starting with William Howard Mapp: -

William Howard Mapp
B: 17 July 1897 in Cradley, Halesowen, Worcs
D: 16 July 1957 at 30, Saltbrook Road, Lye, Stourbridge, Worcs
Married: 15 July 1923 at Christ Church, Quarry Bank, Staffs
to Ann Florella Hill aka Florella also known as Rell.
B: 19 February 1901 at Bricknall Street, Birmingham, Warks
Baptised: 13 March 1901 at Deritend St John the Baptist, Warks
Died: March 1963 at Bromsgrove, Worcs.

William Howard Mapp had two brothers George (b 1890 - ?) and Charles (b 1892 - ?)

William Howard Mapp was a Sapper during the WW1: UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920

William Howard Mapp's father: -

George Mapp (1863 - ?) worked as a Maltster.
Born Mamble, Worcestershire
1871 Residence at Bayton, Worcestershire
Married in 1891 to Susannah Reed (1864 - ?)
Susannah Reed was born in Stambermill, Stourbridge, Worcestershire

Children: -
George David Mapp (1890 - ?)
Thomas Henry Mapp (1892 - ?)
Charles Frederick Mapp (1896 - ?)
William Howard Mapp (1897 - 1957)

Thomas Mapp (1839 - Dec 1924)

Occupation: Farmer
Married
Mary Dukeshill
1837–1892
BIRTH ABT 1837 • Wheathill, Shropshire, England
DEATH 10 OCTOBER 1892 • Mamble

Name: Thomas Mapp
Age in 1911: 71
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Clows Top, Mamble, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Bayton
Search Photos: Search for 'Bayton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address: Clows Top, Rock, Bewdley
Marital Status: Widower
Occupation: Farmer
Registration district: Cleobury Mortimer
Registration District Number: 345
Sub-registration district: Cleobury Mortimer
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 83
Piece: 15952
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Mapp 71
Thomas Mapp 41

Children: -
Sarah Ann Mapp baptised: 4 July 1865
John
Lucy
Thomas - worked as ? cattle
William - he worked as a bricklayer

All at Clowtop, Mamble/Rock.

Northern Lass wrote:
it would help if we had that full marriage info for Wm Mapp and wife Susannah Dukes
24 Feb 1828 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire

as the wits maybe one of Wm Mapps bro or sister

where did you get those possible bapts from
and do you have the marriage of Wm Mapp and Susannah Dukes?

I don't have the full marriage for William Mapp and Susannah Dukes but will ask my Auntie if she has them and the same for William's brothers or sisters.

William Mapp was christened on 12 January 1817

This is not the actual marriage certificate but codes that may help find marriage certificate? I'm not sure how this works?

Indexing Project (Batch) Number M00693-2
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 992139
https://familysearch.org/search/record/ ... r%3A992139

Citing this Record
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2Z5-VQC : 10 December 2014), William Mapp and Susannah Dukes, 24 Feb 1828; citing Cleobury Mortimer,Shropshire,England, reference ; FHL microfilm 992,139.

The films are at local Archives with pictures of parish books with full details- LDS have partly transcribed the films as a finding tool

St Mary Cleobury Mortimer
24 Feb 1828
William MAPP of the Parish of Mamble Bachelor
Susannah DUKES of this Parish Spinster
By Banns with the consent of Parents William Signed The X Of Susannah
Wit; Thomas Hill / Mary Withey X

rockyfowler wrote:The films are at local Archives with pictures of parish books with full details- LDS have partly transcribed the films as a finding tool

St Mary Cleobury Mortimer
24 Feb 1828
William MAPP of the Parish of Mamble Bachelor
Susannah DUKES of this Parish Spinster
By Banns with the consent of Parents William Signed The X Of Susannah
Wit; Thomas Hill / Mary Withey X

Many thanks Rockyfowler for above. What is LDS?

My Auntie has given me the printed out pages of the 1881 census of MAPPS, which I have typed out below: -

1881 Census

Dwelling: Clows Top
Census place: Bayton, Worcester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341631 PRO Ref: RG11 Piece: 2625 Folio: 67 Page 4

Head: Joseph Mapp age 46
Birthplace: Mamble, Worcester, England
Occ: Shoemaker
Wife: Jane Mapp age 44
Birthplace: Mamble, Worcester, England

Dwelling: Clows Top
Census place: Bayton, Worcester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341631 PRO Ref: RG11 Piece: 2625 Folio: 68 Page 5

Head: Thomas Mapp age 42
Birthplace: Mamble, Worcester, England
Occ: Farmer
Wife: Mary Mapp nee Dukeshill age 44
Birthplace: Wheathill, Shropshire, England

Children: -
George Mapp age 18 Occ: Ag Lab
Birthplace: Mamble, Worcester, England
Sarah A Mapp age 15
Birthplace: Bayton, Worcester, England
Thomas Mapp age 11 Scholar
Birthplace: Rock, Worcester, England
William Mapp age 10 Scholar
Birthplace: Bayton, Worcester, England
Mary Mapp age 7 Scholar
Birthplace: Bayton, Worcester, England
Charles Mapp age 4 Scholar
Birthplace: Bayton, Worcester, England


Dwelling: Bayton Village
Census place: Bayton, Worcester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341631 PRO Ref: RG11 Piece: 2625 Folio: 74 Page 17

Head: Eleanor Mapp age 80
Birthplace: Mamble, Worcester, England
Occ: Farmer 11 Acres
Son-in-law: Samuel Thomas age 43
Occ: Ag Lab
Birthplace: Bayton, Worcester, England
Daughter: Elizabeth Thomas age 45
Birthplace: Bayton, Worcester, England
Grandson: William Thomas age 13
Occ: Ag Lab
Birthplace: Bayton, Worcester, England
Grandaughter: Louisa Thomas age 11 Scholar
Birthplace: Bayton, Worcester, England
Grandson: George Thomas age 8 Scholar
Birthdplace: Bayton, Worcester, England
Grandson: Frederick Thomas age 3
Birthplace: Bayton, Worcester, England
Grandaughter: Ann Green - General Serv
Birthplace: Stourbridge, Worcester, England

Dwelling: Clows Top Bury House
Census Place: Mamble, Worcester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341631 PRO Ref: RG11 Piece: 2625 Folio: 81 Page 8

Head: Charles Mapp age 30
Birthplace: London, London, Middlesex, England
Occ: Farmer of 13 Acres
Wife: Annie Mapp age 30
Birthplace: Bayton, Worcester, England
Son: John Mapp age 5 Scholar
Birthplace: Mamble, Worcester, England
Daughter: Cissey Mapp age 3 Scholar
Birthplace: Mamble, Worcester, England
Sarah Shett age 20- Serv. Occ Genl Serv Birthplace: Tenbury, Worcester, England
Thomas Potter age 38 - Serv. Occ Fm Servant Indoor

Dwelling: Clows Top
Census place: Mamble, Worcester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341631 PRO Ref: RG11 Place: 2625 Folio: 82 Page 9

Head: Frederick Cox age 34
Birthplace: Broughton, Worcester, England
Occ: Inn Keeper
Wife: Susan Cox age 33
Birthplace: Mamble, Worcester, England
Daughter: Lottie Cox age 8 Scholar
Birthplace: Bideford, Devon, England
Father-in-law: William Mapp age 76 DoB: 1805/6
Birthplace: Mamble, Worcester, England
Nephew: William Mapp age 21
Birthplace: Rock, Worcester, England
Occ: Brick Maker
Lodger: Arthur Morgan age 27
Birthplace: Mamble, Worcester, England
Occ: Coal Miner

Dwelling: Old School House
Census place: Neen Savage, Shropshire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341631 PRO Ref: RG11 Piece: 2625 Folio: 70 Page 11

Head: Richard Mapp age 41
Birthplace: Mamble, Worcester, England
Occ: Gardener (D)
Wife: Mary Mapp age 42
Birthplace: Betley, Stafford, England
Occ: Gardener (D)
Son: William R Mapp age 6 Scholar
Birthplace, Shelsley, Worcester, England
Son: George E Mapp age 4
Birthplace: Shelsley, Worcester, England
Daughter: Lucy E. Mapp age 7 months
Birthplace: Neen Savage, Shropshire, England

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I have taken a photo of the certified copy (CM255322) of an entry of birth for Thomas Mapp, born on 6th Julty 1839 at Mamble to parents: Father, William Mapp (Occ: Shoemaker) and Mother, Susanna Mapp formerly Dukes, which was registered on 6th August 1839. Signature by Edmund Bancks Whitcombe, Registrar.

I have since learned that there were no birth certificates registered before the 1800s - Is that correct?

That is correct they did not come in till late 1837, on some baptisms they show a date of birth.