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She is b abt 1883

on bcc here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =890908794

now I think she is regis as mary Elizabeth Timmins...........just a hunch.

on 1911 she is down as Elizabeth Bagley so taking her middle name when shown on census.

on mar. she is Mary Elizabeth with father Edward labourer

I think Edward maybe this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =521682488


few marriages for an Edward Bagley.

might be the one 1884 st andrew dudley to sarah timmins

could someone check census pls I think we have them incorrect on bcc

ie 1871 and 1881 seem mixed up;.
1861 : Spinners End, Rowley Regis, Staffs
Joseph Bagley, Head, 37, Chain Maker
Elizabeth Bagley, Wife, 39, Chain Maker
Thomas Bagley, Son, 15, Chain Maker
Elizabeth Bagley, Daur, 13, Chain Maker
Ann M Bagley, Daur, 10, Chain Maker
George Bagley, Son, 4
John Bagley, Son, 3
Samuel Bagley, Son, 4 Months
Eliza Westwood, Daur in Law, 18, Chain Maker
Rosannah Westwood, Daur in Law, 16, Chain Maker
Maria Westwood, Daur in Law, 13, Chain Maker
All Born in Rowley Regis

1871 : Fox Oak, Rowley Regis, Staffs
Joseph Bagley, Head, 48, Chain and Trace Maker
Elizabeth Bagley, Wife, 48, Nail Maker
George Bagley, Son, 24, Chain Maker
Edward Bagley, Son, 19, Labourer at Chain Works
Nancy Bagley, GrDaur, 19, Scholar
Eli Tromans, Boarder, 28, Shipping Chain Maker
Catherine Pardoe, Boarder, 21, Chain and Trace Maker
All Born in Rowley Regis

1881 : 8, New Town Lane, Rowley Regis, Staffs
Joseph Bagley, Head, 58, Chain Maker
Elizabeth Bagley, Wife, 59
Eliza Westwood, StDaur, 28, Chain and Trace Maker
George Bagley, Son, 13, Chain and Trace Maker
John Bagley, Son, 12, Chain and Trace Maker
Edward Bagley, Son, 9, Blower for Chain Maker
Nancy Bagley, GrDaur, 9, Scholar
All Born in Rowley Regis

1871. Fox Oak, Rowley Regis.
Joseph Bagley, head, chain and trace maker,
Elizabeth, wife, 48, nail maker,
Eliza Westwood, step daur, 28, chain and trace maker
George Bagley, son, 13, chain and trace maker
John, son, 12, chain and trace maker
Edward, son, 9, blower for chain maker
Nancy, grand daur, 9,
Eli Tromans, boarder, 28, chain maker
Catherine Pardoe, boarder, 21, chain and trace maker
All born Rowley Regis

1881. 8 New Town Lane, Rowley Regis.
Joseph Bagley, head, 58, Chain Maker, Rowley Regis
Elizabeth, wife, 59, Rowley Regis
George, son, 24, chain maker,
Edward, son, 19, Lab at chain work
Nancy Westwood, Gr daur, 19, chain maker
All others born Cradley Heath

????Births Mar 1883
Mary Elizabeth TIMMINS Dudley 6c 159

Marriage: 27 July 1884 St Andrew, Netherton (FreeREG)
Edward Bagley, 22, B, Labourer, Cradley Heath, Joseph Bagley, Chainmaker
Sarah Timmins, 23, S, Darby End, Eli Wicherley, Chainmaker Born: abt 1861 Mary Elizabeth Timmins's Mother
Wit: Fred Potts, Nancy Tromans
Notes: Bride is illegitimate

1901 Census: 12 Providence Street, Rowley Regis
Edward Bagley, Head.Mar, 39, Carter General Iron Works
Sarah A Bagley, Wife, 40, Netherton
Elizabeth Bagley, Dau.S, 18, Chain Maker, Netherton
Ellen Bagley, Dau, 12
Edward Bagley, Son, 7
Edith Bagley, Dau, 4
(Others born Cradley Heath)

Elizabeth marries Thomas Willetts 1905

1911 Census: 23 Clyde Street, Old Hill, Staffs
Edward Bagley, Head.Mar, 48, Carter Ironworks
Sarah Ann Bagley, Wife, 49, Dudley - Married: 28yrs 10 Children 5 Living 5 Died
Ellen Bagley, Dau.S, 22, Clerk
Edward Bagley, Son.S, 17, Carter Ironworks
Edith Bagley, Dau, 13, White Glazier/Pottery Works
Hilda Bagley, Dau, 9, School
Florence Bagley, Dau, 5, School
(Others born Rowley Regis)

Going backwards with Sarah Ann (Timmins) Bagley

1881 Census: 18 Grove Street, Dudley
George Horton, Head.Mar, 42, Labourer, Birmingham
Phebe Horton, Wife, 53, Kates Hill
Ann Harrison, Grandmother.Wid, 76, Darby End
Elizabeth M. Horton, Dau, 14, Scholar, Rowley
Sarah Timmins, Lodger.UM, 20, Domestic Servant, Dudley

1881 Census: 20 Cole Street, Netherton
Eli Witcherley, Head.Mar, 46, Chainmaker
Mary A. Witcherley, Wife, 46, Tailoress, Churchill Worcs Sarah Ann Timmins's Mother
Alfred Witcherley, Son, 12, Scholar
Myra Witcherley, Dau, 6, Scholar
(Others born Darby End)

1871 Census: 20 Cole Street, Netherton
Eli Witcherley, Head.Mar, 36, Chain Maker
Mary Ann Witcherley, Wife, 36, Tailoress Born: abt 1835
Sarah Ann Witcherley, Dau, 9 Born: abt 1862
Alfred Witcherley, Son, 2
(All born Dudley)

???Marriage: 1866 St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill Dudley Register Office 203/003/293
Eli WYCHERLY & Mary A TIMMINGS


So it looks like Mary Elizabeth Timmins and her Mother Sarah Ann Timmins were both illegitimate

16 Sep 1866
Eli WYCHERLY 30 B Chain Maker Dudley Father (Dec) (Blank)
Mary Ann TIMMINGS 32 S Dudley Father Joseph Timmings Grinder
After Banns The X Of
Both Wit; Daniel Smart X / Elizabeth Smart X

Thanks all

so it is that Edward already on Bcc
and Mary Elizabeth is a Timmins

excellent will add to Bcc.

Can anyone find Eli Wycherley in 1861 pls.

1861. Darby End, Dudley.
Eli Whitchley 26. Head. Chain maker. Darby End.
John Whitchley 19. Boarder. Blacksmith. Darby End.

1851. Double Row, Darby End, Dudley.
John Witcherley 47. Nailer.
Eliza Witcherley 47.
Abner Witcherley 19. Son.
Eli Witcherley 16. Son. Chain maker.
Frances Witcherley 13. Dau.
John Witcherley 9. Son.
Eliza Witcherley 5. Dau.

All born Dudley.

1841. Double Row, Dudley.
John Wichley 35. Nailer.
Elizabeth Wichley 35.
Isaih Wichley 11.
Alver Wichley 9.
Eli Wichley 6.
Francis Wichley 3.

John Wichley.
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Foley.
Event Date 04 Dec 1825.
Event Place Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England.

England Marriages, 1538–1973.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M04014-4
System Origin England-ODM.
GS Film number 378762, 378763, 378764, 378765, 378766, 378767, 378768, 378769.

Completed with thanks