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I'm working on Alice Jemima Johnson from the MIs at St James, Eve Hill, Dudley here:-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=362415

I've connected her father's line (Johnson) on to BCC, but her mother, Emma Summers parents are down as Thomas Summers & Jemima DIMMOCK. I can't find this marriage only this one:- (what do you think?)

Marriage indexes for the years: 1889 (I've requested a look up)
SUMMERS * Thomas & BEDDALL Jemima Dudley, St James Dudley Register Office 202/011/32

1891 Census: 7 Croft, Netherton, Dudley, Worcs
Thomas Summers, Head.Mar, 23, Coal Miner
Jemima Summers, Wife, 20
Pheobe E Summers, Dau, 4mths
(All born Netherton)

1901 Census: Victoria Street, Netherton, Dudley, Worcs
Thomas Summers, Head.Mar, 32, Coal Miner/Hewer
Jemima Summers, Wife, 30
Phoebe E Summers, Dau, 10
Albert Summers, Son, 5
Elsie Summers, Dau, 4
Emma Summers, Dau, 2
Sarah J Summers, Dau, 3mths
(All born Netherton)

1911 Census: 9 Victoria Street, Netherton, Dudley, Worcs
Thomas Summers, Head.Mar, 42, Coal Miner/Hewer
Jenmina/Jemima Summers, Wife, 39 - Married: 21yrs 13 Children 6 Living 7 Died
Phoebe Summers, Dau.S, 20, Domestic Servant
Albert Summers, Son.S, 15, Labourer/File Manufr.
Emma Summers, Dau, 12, School
Sarah Summers, Dau, 10
Alice Summers, Dau, 4
Maria Summers, Dau, 1
Thomas Summers, Son, 22 (crossed through)
Ernest Summers, Son, 19 (crossed through)
John Thomas Summers, Son, 16 (crossed through)
Elise? Summers, Dau, 14 (crossed through)
Beatrice Summers, Dau, 8 (crossed through)
Annie Summers, Dau, 6 (crossed through)
Florrie Summers, Dau, 3 (crossed through)

I'll ask San to connect the headstone photo when I've finished.

Looks like this could be Jemima Beddall on BCC

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

I've connected Alice's headstone Barb

gallery/image_page.php?album_id=197&image_id=7458

Thanks for connecting the photo Mally.

This is the marriage which RF has looked up for me

10 Nov 1889 at St James, Eve Hill, Dudley
Thomas SUMMERS 21 B Collier Netherton Father Richard Summers Collier
Jemima BEDDALL 18 S Netherton Father John Beddall Bricklayer
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; Benjamin Kirby X Annie Beddall X

So, it looks like it should be Jemima BEDDALL and not Jemimim DIMMOCK on BCC. The Witness Annie Beddall on the above marriage is a sister to Jemima.

Marriage
21 Oct 1883 • St Edmund Dudley Worcestershire
Richard SUMMERS 35 W Miner Dudley Father John Summers Waggoner Ann PEARSON 25 S Dudley Father John Pearson Carpenter After Banns The X of Both Wit; Samuel Hollies? X / Harriet Hollies X

Ann`s Illegitimate son Charles born 1882 is on the 1911 census not shown in tree

Baptism
7 Nov 1847 • St Andrew Netherton Dudley Worcestershire
Richard son of Richard & Ann SUMMERS ,Netherton, Labourer

thanks rf added in that marriage

not checked if ann pearson is on already ............rushed this morn....can anyone see if she is and flag it pls if she is then I can connect up


Ok.....so he puts richard that is father John.............so am I wrong in his connection being a thomas summers

should it be John as per both his marriages?

could someone have a look pls

BAPTISM: 7 November 1847 at St Andrew, Netherton, Dudley (From FreeREG)
Richard - Parents: Thomas & Ann Summers - Abode: Netherton - Father's Occ: Labourer
Born: 1 June 1847

On the marriages of Thomas & Ann Summers's children:-

Elizabeth's marriage her father is Thomas
John's marriage his father is Thomas
Maria's marriage her father is Thomas
Richard's marriage his father is John

This looks like the burial of Thomas:-

BURIAL: 4 July 1875 at St Andrew, Netherton, Dudley (From FreeREG)
Thomas Summers - Abode: Netherton - Age: 74yrs

I've checked on the censuses on BCC where they were born:-

1851 Netherton Hill, Dudley
Thomas Summers 50 - Labourer - b Bayton? BAYTON
Ann Summers 40 - b Rock
William Summers 20 - Miner - b Stourport
Elizabeth Summers 14 - Nailor - b Hasbury looks like Hasbey could it be ASTLEY?
John Summers 10 - b Chibery
Maria Summers 6 - b Pensut? PENSAX
Richard Summers 4 - b Netherton

1861 Netherton Hill Croft
SOMERS Thomas Head M M 50 Waggoner Worcestershire - Whitby WITLEY?
SOMERS William Son U M 29 Soldier Worcestershire - Stourport
SOMERS Richard Son - M 12 Coal Miner Worcestershire - Netherton Dudley
PORTMAN William Sonlaw M M 24 Stone Miner Worcestershire - Netherton Dudley
PORTMAN Elizabeth Dau M F 24 Nailor Worcestershire - Dudley ASTLEY?
PORTMAN William Grnson - M 11m Worcestershire - Netherton Dudley

Looks like they were all born around Worcestershire - Witley, Rock, Astley, Pensax areas, so could this be the marriage of Thomas & Ann?

Marriage: (From Familysearch)
Name Thomas Summers
Spouse's Name Ann Ransford
Event Date 28 Nov 1830
Event Place Ribbesford, Worcester, England

Possible Baptisms of 2 of their children:-

BAPTISM (From Familysearch)
Name Elizabeth Somers
Gender Female
Christening Date 05 Mar 1837
Christening Place Astley, Worcester, England
Father's Name Thomas Somers
Mother's Name Ann

BAPTISM (From Familysearch)
Name William Sommers
Gender Male
Christening Date 1831
Christening Place KINGS, ARELEY, WORCESTER, ENGLAND
Father's Name Thomas Sommers
Mother's Name Ann

So, I think you are correct NL in saying that Thomas is their father not John.

Can't see an Ann Pearson (wife of Richard Summers) on BCC in the correct birth frame.

I think maybe the father is known as John....or maybe to Richard as John

John Thomas?

so I think we have the correct marriages for Richard and we have the correct link to his father Thomas.....(also known as John)

the waggoner occ for thomas fits.

I will add info on bapt unless you have a min

and we need charles pearson added too

will be the weekend

I'll add all the extra information NL on BCC. I think all the info on BCC needs tidying up, to see it more clearly, so I'll do that as well if that's okay with you.

Yes please go ahead

can you put completed on this thread when done and I can archive

Thanks NL. I've got all the info which I will put on BCC, so this can be archived now.