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Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:22 am**

25 Dec 1886 St John The Baptist Halesowen
Philip CRUMP 20 B Rivet Maker Blackheath Father William Crump Rivet Worker
Alice JONES 18 S Dress Maker Long Lane Hill Father William Jones (Dec) Labourer
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; John Howe X / Ann Clay X

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =105419638

1871
Halesowen Street, Rowley Regis, Dudley, Staffordshire, England
William Crump Head - Male Rivet Maker 34 1837 - Worcestershire, England
Sarah Crump Wife - Female 30 1841 - Worcestershire, England
Hannah Crump Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Worcestershire, England
Esther Crump Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Staffordshire, England
Ehud Crump Son - Male 7 1864 - Staffordshire, England
Philip Crump Son - Male 4 1867 - Staffordshire, England
Isaac Crump Son - Male 2 1869 - Staffordshire, England
Honor Crump Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Staffordshire, England

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =457834060

Some trees on Ancestry have this marr but it is diff William from Birmingham

29 Jul 1861 St Martin Birmingham
William CRUMP F B Rivet Maker George Street Mother Hannah Crump a Single Woman
Sarah HADEN F S George Street Father George Haden Shoe Maker
After Banns William Signed The X Of Sarah
Wit; John Haden X / Ann Crump X

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Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:16 am**

Not sure about this,

1861. Long Lane.
William Crump 25. Rivit maker. Hill.
Hannah Crump 29. Rowley Regis.
Mary Crump 2/12. Hill.

Marriages Dec 1859.
Crump William. Stourbridge. 6c. 340.
Evans William. Stourbridge. 6c. 340.
Partridge Anna. Stourbridge. 6c. 340.
Scott Martha. Stourbridge. 6c. 340.

(nl amended.)

Free reg.

3 Dec 1859 Christchurch. Quinton Worcs.
Groom forename William Groom surname CRUMP.Groom age 24.Groom condition bachelor.Groom abode Long Lane.Groom occupation rivet maker.Groom father forename William Groom father surname CRUMP. Groom father occupation hay cutter.

Bride forename Long Lane???? Bride surname PARTRIDGE.Bride age 24.Bride condition spinster.Bride abode Long Lane.Bride occupation nailer.
Bride father forename William Bride father surname PARTRIDGE.Bride father occupation nailer.
Witness1 forename Edward Witness1 surname HOMER.
Witness2 forename Anne Witness2 surname HOMER.

Jimmy wrote:1881. Mott Street. Rowley Regis.
William Crump 44.
Sarah Crump 41.
Esther Crump 19.
Elud Crump 17.
Philip Crump 14.
Isac Crump 12.
Hannah Crump 10.
William Crump 6.
Alice Crump 4.
Mary Crump 2.

1891. Long Lane, Hill.
Philip Crump 24. Rivit Maker, bolt, Rowley Regis.
Alice Crump 22. Halesowen.
Benjamin W Crump 1. Son. Halesowen.

1901. Long Lane, Hill.
Philip Crump 34. Bolt rivit maker. BAlackheath.
Alice Crump 32. Cakemore.
Benjn W Crump 11. Son.
Charlie Crump 8. Son.
Hannah Crump 6. Dau.
Eliza Crump 4. Dau.
Mary Crump 65. Mother.
Others born Halesowen,

Wife Alice widow on 1911
1911. 12 Avenue Rd, Blackheath, Birmingham.
Alice Crump 42. Widow. Married 24 years, 7 children 1 died.
Benjamin William Crump 21.
Jane Helen Crump 20. Dau bin Law..
Alice Crump 1.
Annie Crump 2/12.
Eliza Crump 14.
Philip Crump 6.
Ernest Edwin Heath 17. Boarder.
Thomas Henry Hearder Perring 29.
Henrietta Perring 25.
Gilbert Thomas Perring 4.
Coyte George Hearder Perring 2.

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:45 pm**

Jimmy wrote:1891. Long Lane, Hill.
Philip Crump 24. Rivit Maker, bolt, Rowley Regis.
Alice Crump 22. Halesowen.
Benjamin W Crump 1. Son. Halesowen.

1901. Long Lane, Hill.
Philip Crump 34. Bolt rivit maker. BAlackheath.
Alice Crump 32. Cakemore.
Benjn W Crump 11. Son.
Charlie Crump 8. Son.
Hannah Crump 6. Dau.
Eliza Crump 4. Dau.
Mary Crump 65. Mother.

Others born Halesowen,

It was all going well until seeing this, I've got Sarah as his mother

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:55 pm**

Just a thought could Mary Crump be Alices mother.

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:14 pm**

18 Feb 1855 St John The Baptist Halesowen
Joseph CRUMP F B Rivet Maker Hill Father William Crump Hay Cutter
Mary READ 19 S Nailer Hill Father Benjamin Read Nailer
After Banns The X Of Both
wit; Samuel Mucklow X / Rebecca Neal

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =139169864

1841
Oakemore, Halesowen, Stourbridge, Shropshire, England
William Crump Male 30 1811 Nail Maker Shropshire, England
Betty Crump Female 35 1806 Shropshire, England
Ann Crump Female 14 1827 Shropshire, England
John Crump Male 9 1832 Shropshire, England
Joseph Crump Male 8 1833 Shropshire, England
William Crump Male 5 1836 Shropshire, England
Charles Crump Male 3 1838 Shropshire, England
Henry Crump Male 1 1840 Shropshire, England

1851
Long Lane, Stourbridge Union, Worcestershire, England
William Crump - Married Male 43 1808 Nail Forger Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Betty Crump Wife Married Female 46 1805 Nail Forger Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
John Crump Son Unmarried Male 18 1833 Nail Forger Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Joseph Crump Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Nail Forger Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
William Crump Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Nail Forger Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Charles Crump Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Nail Forger Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Henry Crump Son Unmarried Male 10 1841 Scholar Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Catherine Crump Daughter - Female 5 1846 Scholar Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

rockyfowler wrote:1861 Long Lane, Cakemore, Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England
William Crump Head Married Male 54 1807 Hay Tresser Agricultural Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Betty Crump Wife Married Female 56 1805 - Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Charles Crump Son Unmarried Male 23 1838 Railway Pin Maker Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Catherine Crump Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 Nail Maker Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

1861 Long Lane, Hill, Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England
Joseph Crump Head Married Male 26 1835 Rivet Maker Worcestershire, England
Mary Crump Wife Married Female 25 1836 Nail Maker Worcestershire, England

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:12 pm**

The only Mary Crump that fits, look who is with her in 1871. Alice Jones.
1891. Long Lane, Rowley Regis.
Joseph Crump 58. Rivit maker.
Mary Crump 56.
Annie Crump 3. Niece.
All born Halesowen.

1881. Long Lane, The Hill.
Joseph Crump 47. Rivit Maker.
Mary Crump 45.
Alice Crump 12. Dau.
All born Halesowen.

1871. Long Lane, The Hill.
Joseph Crump 37. Rivit Maker. Long Lane.
Mary Crump 35. Long Lane.
Alice Crump 3. Niece. Cakemore. it is Alice Jones on image.

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:25 pm**

Family Search.

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C01376-3.
System Origin England-ODM.
GS Film number 886635, 886636, 886638.

Alice Jones.
Christening Date 11 Dec 1872.
Christening Place HALESOWEN, WORCESTER.
Mother's Name Anna Jones.

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:14 pm**

1911.
William Crump 74. Rivit maker. Long Lane.
Sarah Crump 72.

Married 49 years.
10 children 3 died.

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:36 pm**

rockyfowler wrote:Some trees on Ancestry have this marr but it is diff William from Birmingham

29 Jul 1861 St Martin Birmingham
William CRUMP F B Rivet Maker George Street Mother Hannah Crump a Single Woman
Sarah HADEN F S George Street Father George Haden Shoe Maker
After Banns William Signed The X Of Sarah
Wit; John Haden X / Ann Crump X

1841. Colliers Row, Hill, Hales Owen, Shropshire.
George Haden 35. Shoe maker.
Esther Haden 35.
Harriet Haden 12.
Joseph Haden 10.
Hannah Haden 8.
William Haden 6.
Selina Haden 4.
Sarah Haden 3.
Mary Ann Haden 1.

All b.i.c.

1851. The Hill, Halesowen.
George Haden 45. Cordwainer.
Esther Haden 45.
Harriott Haden 21.
Joseph Haden 19
Hannah Haden 17.
Selena Haden 13.
Mary A Haden 10.
John Haden 8.
Amos Haden 6.
George Haden 4.
Maria Haden 3.
Alexander Haden 1.

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:07 pm**

1861. Blackheath.
George Haden 55. Boot and shoe maker. Halesowen.
Esther Haden 55
Selina Haden 24. Idiot from birth.
Sarah Haden 22. Nailer.
Mary Ann Haden 20.
John Haden 18.
Amos Haden 16.
George Haden 14.
Maria Haden 12.
Alexander Haden 11.
Hannah Haden 4. Grand dau.

Hannah Haden in 1861 looks to me to be Hannah Crump in 1871.

1871.
William Crump 34.
Sarah Crump 30.
Hannah Crump 14.
Esther Crump 9.
Ehud Crump 7.
Philip Crump 4.
Isaac Crump 2.
Honor Crump 3 Months.

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:35 pm**

1841. Colliers Row, Hill, Hales Owen, Shropshire.
Hannah Crump 25.
Ann Crump 70.
Shadrack Crump 35.
John Crump 25.
Joseph Crump 6.
Willm Crump 5.
Ann Crump 2.

These look like these in 1851,

1851. Colliers Row, The Hill.
Benjamin Smith 39. Nailer. Rowley.
Hannah Smith 38. Cakemore.
Joseph Smith 16. Son.
William Smith 14. Son.
Anne Smith 12. Dau.
Phoebe Smith 9. Dau.
John Smith 7. Son.
Emma Smith 6. Dau.
Elma Smith (Ehud) 3. son.
Daniel Smith 1. Son.

Others born The Hill.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: September 1841.
CRUMP Hannah. SMITH Benjamin. Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office. 204/004/200.

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:48 pm**

Jimmy wrote:West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: September 1841.
CRUMP Hannah. SMITH Benjamin. Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office. 204/004/200.

Worcestershire.
Place Dudley.
Church name St Thomas.
Register entry number 200.
Marriage date 12 Sep 1841.
Groom forename Benjamin
Groom surname SMITH.
Groom age of full age.
Groom condition bachelor.
Groom abode Black Heath,Rowley Regis.
Groom occupation Labourer.
Bride forename Hannah
Bride surname CRUMP.
Bride age of full age.
Bride condition spinster.
Bride abode Long Lane,Hales Owen.
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname SMITH.
Groom father occupation Nailer.
Bride father forename Nehemiah
Bride father surname CRUMP.
Bride father occupation Nailer (deceased).
Witness1 forename Solomon
Witness1 surname BULLAS.
Witness2 forename Sarah
Witness2 surname BULLAS.
Notes By Banns-Groom Bride & witness 2 marked X. Witness 1 signed.

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:53 pm**

Mally it looks to me that Philip is the son on William and Sarah Crump, and Williams mother is Hannah Crump (no father around).

and that Alice Jones was adopted by Joseph and Mary Crump.

and Williams mother Hannah Crump married Benjamin Smith.

Posted: **Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:16 pm**

Yes that makes sense Jimmy, leave it with me.

I'm adding what I can understand cos there are quite a few connections....

rockyfowler wrote:

18 Feb 1855 St John The Baptist Halesowen
Joseph CRUMP F B Rivet Maker Hill Father William Crump Hay Cutter
Mary READ 19 S Nailer Hill Father Benjamin Read Nailer
After Banns The X Of Both
wit; Samuel Mucklow X / Rebecca Neal.

Joseph Crump - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=353020

Mary Read - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=353020

Her sister Louisa - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =367629431

FreeReg
Register entry number 214
Marriage 5 Mar 1855 St John the Baptist, Halesowen, Worc
Timothy CLAY 21 Bachelor Hill Rivet Maker William CLAY nailer
Louisa READ 22 Spinster Hill Nailer Benjamin READ nailer
Wit: David RUDGE/ Eliza READ

here are the sisters together...

1911:157 Long Lane Nr Halesowen, Worc
Mary Crump 75 Head Wid Pensioner Nail Maker Ridgacre
Louisa Clay 78 Boarder Wid Pensioner Ridgacre
Charles Crump 18 Boarder S Lab In Tube Works Long Lane, Worc

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:10 pm**

mallosa wrote:
Worcestershire.
Place Dudley.
Church name St Thomas.
Register entry number 200.
Marriage date 12 Sep 1841.
Groom forename Benjamin
Groom surname SMITH.
Groom age of full age.
Groom condition bachelor.
Groom abode Black Heath,Rowley Regis.
Groom occupation Labourer.
Bride forename Hannah
Bride surname CRUMP.
Bride age of full age.
Bride condition spinster.
Bride abode Long Lane,Hales Owen.
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname SMITH.
Groom father occupation Nailer.
Bride father forename Nehemiah
Bride father surname CRUMP.
Bride father occupation Nailer (deceased).
Witness1 forename Solomon
Witness1 surname BULLAS.
Witness2 forename Sarah
Witness2 surname BULLAS.
Notes By Banns-Groom Bride & witness 2 marked X. Witness 1 signed
.

must fit in here somewhere - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=353033

On BCC NL as a note,
note by Jan it says Smith on the marriage cert which is really odd! surely a mistake!

I think it his Benjamin Smith that marries Hannah Crump.

Family Search,.
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C01158-6.
System Origin England-ODM.
GS Film number 350488.

Hannah Crump.
Christening Date 07 Jul 1814.
Christening Place Halesowen, Salop, England.
Father's Name Nehemiah Crump.
Mother's Name Ann Crump.

Also,

Indexing Project (Batch) Number C01376-2.
System Origin England-ODM.
GS Film number 886632, 886633, 886634.

Honor Crump.
Christening Date 14 Apr 1805.
Christening Place HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND.
Father's Name Nehemiah Crump.
Mother's Name Ann.

Indexing Project (Batch) Number C01376-2.
System Origin England-ODM.
GS Film number 886632, 886633, 886634.

William Crump.
Christening Date 08 Mar 1807.
Christening Place HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND.
Father's Name Nehemiah Crump.
Mother's Name Ann.

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