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This John Southern:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=350549

I don't think he was born in Kingswinford in 1801, I think he was born in Stourbridge abt 1798 - I have found him in 1871 living with his daughter and her family (see next post).

I think he was bapt 30 Dec 1798, Old Swinford, s of John Southorn and Elizabeth (ODM on IGI).

John Southern in 1871 census, Quarry Bank:

Richard Clayton, Head, 25, Coal Miner, b Kingswinford
Mary Clayton, wife, 24, b Kingswinford
Elizabeth Clayton, dau, 5, b Kingswinford
John Clayton, son 3, b Kingswinford
Septimus, son, 2, b Kingswinford
John Southern, boarder, widowed, 75, b Stonebridge, Worcestershire (think this should be Stourbridge)
William Clayton, lodger, 19, b Kingswinford

Mary, the wife of Richard Clayton in that 1871 census entry, is, I think, the daughter of John Southern.

There is this marriage:
Dudley Register Office, 016/001/221
1866 Christ Church, Quarry Bank
Richard Clayton/ Mary Southall (sic)

Her age in the census fits with Mary Southern, Johns daughter, already on BCC, so it looks like 'Southall' on the marriage index is an error.

Just noticed a submitted entry on the IGI:

5 Feb 1866, Quarry Bank, Richard Clayton, 21, s of William Clayton,
And Mary Southall, 19, d of John Southwell !!

Make of that what you will....

1881, Maughan Street, Quarry Bank:

Richard Clayton, head, 34, miner
Mary, wife, 33
John, 13
Septimus, 11
Mary, 9
Richard, 7
James, 5
Handel, 3
Elizabeth, 0
All born Quarry Bank

Edited to add: the names Septimus and Handel are obviously after the children of John Southern/ Lydia Round!

Going back to Lydia Round, wife of John Southern- she also might not have been helpful on the census: remember she married in Tipton: there is a bapt 18 Apr 1813, Tipton, Lydia d of William Round/ Sarah

Freereg has...
5th February 1866. Christ Church, Quarry Bank.
Richard Clayton, 21, B, Quarry Bank, Miner, William Clayton, Miner.
Mary Southall, 19, S, John Southall, Labourer.
Witnesses, William Taylor, Elizabeth Brooks

Checked the Parish register it DEF says Southwell

On both names RF or just Johns?
Jo

Jo don't archive this ..................wanted to go thru it and add what we can but not had time


so if you free and can

sp1 wrote:Going back to Lydia Round, wife of John Southern- she also might not have been helpful on the census: remember she married in Tipton: there is a bapt 18 Apr 1813, Tipton, Lydia d of William Round/ Sarah

Free reg has this...
18 April 1813. St Martin, Tipton
Lydia, F, Rounds Hill.
Parents, William Round , Mason and Sarah

Where is Rounds Hill?

Added here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =556158304

If anyone can tell where Rounds Green is and if it's Southwell on both names or just Johns please.
Jo

5 Feb 1866
Richard CLAYTON 21 B Miner Quarry Bank Father William Clayton Miner
Mary SOUTHALL 19 S Quarry Bank Father John Southwell Labourer
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; William Taylor Elizabeth Brookes

Rounds Green is Oldbury

hmmm thanks RF. They must have just had a connection to St Martins church?
I will change the marriage info I added to what you have put.
I dont feel I can change Lydias place of birth...
Jo

On St Martins Register 1813
18 Apr Lydia daur of William & Sarah ROUND Round`s Hill ,Mason
Next entry
18 Apr Sarah daur of David & Sarah WASSELL Round`s Hill , Engineer