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Courtesy of Rockyfowler...

Marriage 13 Aug 1865 St Thomas, Dudley
John HARVEY 40 W Blacksmith Dudley Father William Harvey Blacksmith
Eliza GILBERT 32 S Dudley Father Thomas Gilbert (Dec) Bricklayer
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; George Harvey X / Matilda Ruston X

Here on BCC - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =248080700

Can we see John or Eliza in 1861 census?

No! Can't see them but here's John's father William...

1851: Churchbridge,
William Harvey 62 Head Blacksmith Marr Oldbury, Worc

FOUND HIM!!!!

1841: Birchfield Lane, Oldbury
William Hervey 60 Blacksmith (born in county)
John Hervey 15 Blacksmith (born in county)

also a few doors away....

William Hervey 25 Blacksmith
Mary Hervey 25
Phebe Hervey 2
Matilda Hervey 1
(all born in county)

also next door...

Mary Holland 35 Shop Keeper (not born in county)
Amelia Holland 3
Edward Hervey 85 Ind

..so who is this one?
1861: Workhouse
William Harvey 75 Inmate Widr Blacksmith Oldbury

1841. Chaddesley Corbett, Worcs.
Catharine Gilbert 50.
Elizabeth Gilbert 10.
Eliza Gilbert 6.
John Beman 20.
Eliza Beman 5 Mo.

All b.i.c.

Gilbert on image,

1851. Upper Swinford.
Jas Brookes 54.
Hannah Brookes 57.
Wm K Brookes 22.
Jas Hawkswood 14.
Eliza Guilbert 18. Servant. Chaddesley Corbett.

ENGLAND BIRTHS AND CHRISTENINGS, 1538-1975.
Eliza Gilberts.
Christening Date 17 Sep 1834.
Christening Place CHADDESLEY CORBETT,WORCESTER,ENGLAND.
Father's Name Thomas Gilberts.
Mother's Name Catharine.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C04007-1.
System Origin England-ODM.
GS Film number 435231.

ENGLAND BIRTHS AND CHRISTENINGS, 1538-1975.
John Harvey.
Christening Date 01 Sep 1822.
Christening Place Oldbury,Worcester, England.
Father's Name William Harvey.
Mother's Name Obedance Harvey.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number I01084-0.
System Origin England-EASy.
GS Film number 6085650.
Reference ID p29.

FreeReg,

Staffordshire.
Place Dudley Staffs.
Church name St Thomas.
Register entry number 274.
Marriage date 27 Nov 1841.
Groom forename John
Groom surname HARVEY.
Groom age minor.
Groom condition bachelor.
Groom abode Halesowen Street,Oldbury.
Groom occupation Blacksmith.
Bride forename Nancy
Bride surname ENFIELD.
Bride age minor.
Bride condition spinster.
Bride abode Halesowen Street,Oldbury.
Groom father forename William
Groom father surname HARVEY.
Groom father occupation Blacksmith.
Bride father forename James
Bride father surname ENFIELD.
Bride father occupation Labourer (deceased).
Witness1 forename William
Witness1 surname SMITH.
Witness2 forename Charlotte
Witness2 surname SMITH.
Notes By Banns-Groom & witness 1 signed. Bride & witness 2 marked X.

all added but need to sort out the children

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=349007

any suggestions - re the above, I can't work them out !

Trying to figure this out....

1861: Park Street, Oldbury
Joseph Griffith 47 Head Horse Dealer Dudley
Eliza Griffith 30 Wife Chadgley, Worcestershire
Sarah Gilbert 8 Dau Rowley
Thomas Gilbert 5 Son Oldbury

Marriage 13 Aug 1865 St Thomas, Dudley
John HARVEY 40 W Blacksmith Dudley Father William Harvey Blacksmith
Eliza GILBERT 32 S Dudley Father Thomas Gilbert (Dec) Bricklayer
After Banns
The X Of Both
Wit; George Harvey X / Matilda Ruston X

1871 : Park Street, Oldbury, Worcs
John Harvey, Head, 50, Blacksmith
Eliza Harvey, Wife, 40, Born in Chaddersley Corbett
Thomas Gilbert Harvey, 16, Miner
John William Harvey, Son, 14, Scholar
George Henry Harvey, Son, 5, Scholar
Others Born in Oldbury

So how is she is Eliza Griffith in 1861 but marries as Gilbert?

mallosa wrote:So how is she is Eliza Griffith in 1861 but marries as Gilbert?

Maybe she just shacked up with Joseph Griffith and put married down on census

did you find a marriage?

we don't know that those 2 kids are kids of John Harvey so needs amending on Bcc till confirmed
I will amend

Poss for Thomas
1856
GILBERT Thomas Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/21/84

adding his name as Thomas Gilbert on Bcc

CAnt see birth for Joseph Gilbert .............he is witness to marriage of step bro John...as Joseph Gilbert

No Jan I couldn't find a marriage