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I cannot find a birth or baptism of Alexandra/Angelina Tromans born abt 1864 the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Tromans. Her father died in Cornwall and her mother returned to Worcester/Staffordshire and married Charles Southorn.
I think that Elizabeth was pregnant when Thomas died and she decided to return to her place of birth.
In 1871 she was Alexandra born 1865 and her surname was Thomas as were her siblings

just having a look at that 1871 Census....

Maughan Street, Kingswinford, Staffs
Charles W Southorn 27 Head Coal Miner Kingswinford
Elizabeth Southorn 35 Wife Tipton
James Doody 16 Step Son Chainmaker Kingswinford
William Thomas 14 Wifes son Chainmaker Bristol, Glouc
Mary Jane Thomas 12 Wifes Dau Hayle, Cornwall
Elizabeth Ann Thomas 9 Wifes Dau Kingswinford
Alexander Thomas 6 Wifes Dau Kingswinford
Lydia Southorn 2 Dau Kingswinford

1861: Commercial Road, Phillack, Cornwall
Thomas Tromans 39 Chainmaker Rowley
Elizabeth Tromans 26 born Cradley
Mother?? Tromans 8 Cradley
Joseph Tromans 13 Chainmaker Quarry Bank
James Tromans 6 Tipton
William Tromans 4 Quarry Bank
Mary J Tromans 2 Bristol
Elizabeth A Tromans 1 mth Phillack, Cornwall

unicorn wrote:I have left this message on brick walls.
I cannot find a birth or baptism of Alexandra/Angelina Tromans born abt 1864 the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Tromans. Her father died in Cornwall and her mother returned to Worcester/Staffordshire and married Charles Southorn.
I think that Elizabeth was pregnant when Thomas died and she decided to return to her place of birth.
In 1871 she was Alexandra born 1865 and her surname was Thomas as were her siblings

On bcc here
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do you have the death certif info or death date for Thomas please?

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name TRUMAN
Death quarter 4
Death year 1863
District REDRUTH
County Cornwall
Volume 5C
Page 218

rockyfowler wrote:First name(s) THOMAS
Last name TRUMAN
Death quarter 4
Death year 1863
District REDRUTH
County Cornwall
Volume 5C
Page 218

So it that is our Thomas Tromans ....then angelina may have not been his child?

I cant see a birth for an Angelina Tromans or any variant

Do we know when she died?
and how she was regis then?

I think John T Hickman died in 1935

This is the only one I can see and age is out

Deaths Mar 1939
Hickman Angelina 80 Winchester 2c 202


so where is her death regis?

1871

Maughan Street, Kingswinford, Staffs
Charles W Southorn 27 Head Coal Miner Kingswinford
Elizabeth Southorn 35 Wife Tipton
James Doody 16 Step Son Chainmaker Kingswinford
William Thomas 14 Wifes son Chainmaker Bristol, Glouc
Mary Jane Thomas 12 Wifes Dau Hayle, Cornwall
Elizabeth Ann Thomas 9 Wifes Dau Kingswinford
Alexander Thomas 6 Wifes Dau Kingswinford
Lydia Southorn 2 Dau Kingswinford

is thomas correct is there another marriage ?


Births Jun 1865
THOMAS Angelina Liskeard 5c 77

1881. Maughan Street, Kingswinford.
Elizabeth Southern 49. Married. Kingswinford.
Angelina Southern 16. Dau. Brickyard. Kingswinford.
Lydia Southern 12. Dau. Kingswinford.
William Southern 6. Son. Quarry Bank.
Charles Thos. Southern 3. Son. Quarry Bank.

I can only see these 3 marriages,


All from FreeReg,

1st,
Staffordshire.
Place Quarry Bank.
Church name Christ Church.
Register type PR.
Register entry number 40.
Marriage date 13 Jun 1853.
Groom forename James
Groom surname DOODY.
Groom age 23.
Groom condition bachelor.
Groom abode Sheffield Street.
Groom occupation Miner.
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname FOXALL.
Bride age 19.
Bride condition spinster.
Bride abode Sheffield Street.
Bride occupation Domestic Servant.
Groom father forename Joseph
Groom father surname DOODY.
Groom father occupation Miner.
Bride father forename William
Bride father surname FOXALL.
Bride father occupation Bundler.
Witness1 forename Joseph
Witness1 surname LITTLE.
Witness2 forename John
Witness2 surname FLEMING.
Notes Groom, Bride & Witnesses sign X.

2nd,
Staffordshire.
Place Dudley Staffs.
Church name St Andrew (Netherton).
Marriage date 02 Jul 1855.
Groom forename Thomas
Groom surname TROMANS.
Groom age 34.
Groom condition widower.
Groom parish Dudley Wood.
Groom occupation Chainmaker.
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname DOODY.
Bride age 20.
Bride condition widow.
Bride parish Dudley Wood.
Groom father forename William
Groom father surname TROMANS.
Groom father occupation Miner.
Bride father forename William
Bride father surname FOXALL.
Bride father occupation Labourer.
Witness1 forename James
Witness1 surname MACKAY.
Witness2 forename David.
Witness2 surname MACKAY.
Notes Both fathers are deceased.

3rd,
County Staffordshire.
Place Dudley Staffs.
Church name St Andrew (Netherton).
Marriage date 12 Nov 1866.
Groom forename Charles William
Groom surname SOUTHERN.
Groom age Full age.
Groom condition bachelor.
Groom parish Netherton.
Groom occupation Miner.
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname TROMANS.
Bride age Full age.
Bride condition widow.
Bride parish Netherton.
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname SOUTHERN.
Groom father occupation Labourer.
Bride father forename William
Bride father surname FOXALL.
Bride father occupation Moulder.
Witness1 forename Septhamus
Witness1 surname SOUTHERN.
Witness2 forename Martha
Witness2 surname SOUTHERN.

Northern Lass wrote:

unicorn wrote:I have left this message on brick walls.
I cannot find a birth or baptism of Alexandra/Angelina Tromans born abt 1864 the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Tromans. Her father died in Cornwall and her mother returned to Worcester/Staffordshire and married Charles Southorn.
I think that Elizabeth was pregnant when Thomas died and she decided to return to her place of birth.
In 1871 she was Alexandra born 1865 and her surname was Thomas as were her siblings

On bcc here

do you have the death certif info or death date for Thomas please?[/quote]
Cornwall OPC has the burial of Thomas Tromans- 28 Oct- 1863 -Parish or Reg District -Phillack. Residence was Bodriggy and Thomas was 41 years old.

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[quote="Jimmy"]I can only see these 3 marriages,
Those are the correct marriages. She has her son from her 1st marriage living with her as well as her children from her marriage to Thomas during the 1871 census.
FREEREG - Angelina's 1883 marriage to John Hickman has Thomas Tromans as her father.

I think the Thomas surname is a mistranscibed version for Troman.

Jimmy wrote:I think the Thomas surname is a mistranscibed version for Troman.

I agree with you. I looked at the actual census and it looks like Thomas . It is the correct family because one of the family was born in Cornwall, which bears out the census when the family were in Cornwall. Maybe the enumerator misunderstood what the family said.

Northern Lass wrote:This is the only one I can see and age is out
Deaths Mar 1939
Hickman Angelina 80 Winchester 2c 202
so where is her death regis?

Her death on FMP has her born in 1859.
I wonder if Angelina was a pet name and she was called Ann/Anne. Where the Alexandra come into it i don't know.

So Unicorn how do you know for sure that that 1939 death is her?

does fmp have more info ..........if so can you post the proof it is her please
might be another Angelina

Northern Lass wrote:So Unicorn how do you know for sure that that 1939 death is her?
does fmp have more info ..........if so can you post the proof it is her please
might be another Angelina

FMP has HICKMAN Angelina born 1859 died 1939 England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Winchester, Hampshire, England .
She isn't the Angelina Hickman that I am looking for because of the birth date.