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This Elizabeth Plant

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" Note added by Dennis
"Fish shop assistant" in 1891. Known as "Lizzie". Like her father Warwick, Lizzie was of a fiery disposition. She had a disgreement with Warwick, married an older man, emigrated to Australia and had three or four children there, and died aged 35."

I think this is wrong as family are on Census in 1901 and 1911

Wedding was St. Peter Cradley 1897 not Stourbridge Worcs.

1901 Census 57 Howard Street St, George Birmingham
John Burton Goss Head 34 Shoeing Smith
Elizabeth Goss wife 26 born Cradley Staffs.
John Burton Goss son 2
Lanny Goss dau 2mths.
Rest born Birmingham Warks.

1911 Census 57 Howard Street St, George Birmingham
John Burton Goss Head 46 Shoeing Smith at Shoeing Forge
Elizabeth Goss wife 36 born Cradley Staffs.
John Burton Goss son 12 School
Alice Goss dau 5 School
Benjamin Goss son 3
Rest born Birmingham Warks.

A daughter Millie Goss was born 1911 Birmingham mother Plant and she died aged 2 in 1914
Elizabeth Goss died aged 37 1912 Birmingham
and John Burton Goss died 1920 Birmingham aged 56

"John Burton Goss son 12 School" was registered as John Warwick Goss which ties up with Elizabeth Plant Warwick family name

Three surviving children did emigrate to Australia
23/4/1925 London to Melbourne " Diogenes"
Destination Montrose Victoria Australia
John Goss 26 Horseman
Alice L. Goss 19 Domestic
Benjamin Goss 18 Horseman
All noted as Address 137 Bristol Street Birmingham

Dennis has Elizabeth's husband as John B. W. Goss
but this stood for John Burton Whitehouse Goss
as he was stepson of Abbott Goss as his mother was married before to a Benjamin Whitehouse

1881 Census 8 Howard Street Birmingham Warks.
Abbott Goss Head 57 General Smith born Northampton Northamptonshire
Lucy Goss wife 47
George Goss son 35 Imbecile
Benjamin Whitehouse step.son 20 Organ Buillder
John Whitehouse step.son 16 Blacksmith
Selinia Whitehouse step.dau 11 born Liverpool Lancs.
Joseph Whitehouse step.son 6 born Liverpool Lancs.
Rest born Birmingham Warks.

The marriage was at St Peters Cradley and later registered at GRO Stourbridge
]28 Nov 1897
John Burton Whitehouse GOSS 30 B Shoe Smith Parish of St George Birmingham Father Benjamin Whitehouse Goss Organ Builder
Elizabeth PLANT 23 S High Street Father Warwick Plant Fishmonger
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; John Baker / Ellen Plant

Lizzie did die young as in BCC
First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Goss
Birth year -
Death year 1912
Burial year 1912
Cemetery Birmingham, Warstone Lane cemetery
County Warwickshire
Country England
Register number 68488

Added in the marriage thanks rf

Mumbles can you amend where necess...and add to on Bcc if you don't mind

Thanks RF
I will add in with details of Whitehouse Family.
I did not want to change as connects to Dennis
The Whitehouse family in 1871 :-
17 Wightman Street West Derby Liverpool Lancs.
Benjamin Whitehouse Head 40 Organ Builder
Jane L. Whitehouse wife 34
Benjamin B. Whitehouse son 10
William Whitehouse son 8
John B. Whitehouse son 6
Selina Whitehouse dau 1 born Liverpool Lancs.
William T. Whitehouse lodger 74 (wid) Sail Maker born Liverpool Lancs.
Rest born Birmingham Warks.

Marriage 9/8/1858 St. Paul Wolverhampton Staffs.
Benjamin Burton Whitehouse 28 Organ Builder Sidney Street father Isaac Whitehouse Smith
Jane Lucy Howell 22 Sidney Street father John Howell Pear Button Maker

Jane Lucy Howell became Lucy Goss in 1881

Some questions remain :-

Where are family in 1891 ?
Where did "Burton" come from ?
Why change to Goss for some of family after 1901 ?

I will change re Elizabeth ....so she didnt die in Australia?

but her kids emigrated there?

That is correct NL unless Dennis has different info
and Death in 1912 ties up with dau Minnie who was born late 1911 and died 1914

I will keep John Burton Whitehouse Goss as Goss despite fact that he was baptised as Whitehouse and put note to explain

Reference Dennis note concerning Elizabeth I will leave with note unless you can contact and ask him to look at

Have Added all but still not found family in 1891

Ok amended that

do you want to move to brickwalls re census you are after?

Yes Nl

Abbott Goss married before,

1871. 8 Howard St, Birmingham.
Abbott Goss 46. ??????? forge. Newport Reynold, Buckinghamshire.
Eliza Goss 46. Moulton, Northamptonshire.
George A Goss 25. Son. Imbicile. Northampton, Northamptonshire.
Phillip J Groom 20. Nephew. Hardington, Hertfordshire.
George Boddington 10. Nephew. Northampton, Northamptonshire.
William Smith 13. Boarder. Birmingham.

Name: Abbott Goss.
Event Type: Marriage.
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar.
Registration Year: 1845.
Registration District: Northampton.
County: Northamptonshire.
Event Place: Northampton, Northamptonshire, England.
Volume: 15.
Page: 433.
Line Number: 64.

Abbott Goss probably married one of the following people
Name: Ann Claridge.
Name: Eliza Jayes.
Name: George Newman.
Name: Hannah Rowthorn.
Name: Mary Turner.
Name: Thomas Warren.
Name: Thomas Wiggs.

Deaths Mar 1880.
Goss Eliza. 57. Birmingham. 6d. 92.

Deaths Dec 1887.
Goss Abbott. 67. Birmingham. 6d. 87.

mumbles wrote:1881 Census 8 Howard Street Birmingham Warks.
Abbott Goss Head 57 General Smith born Northampton Northamptonshire
Lucy Goss wife 47
George Goss son 35 Imbecile
Benjamin Whitehouse step.son 20 Organ Buillder
John Whitehouse step.son 16 Blacksmith
Selinia Whitehouse step.dau 11 born Liverpool Lancs.
Joseph Whitehouse step.son 6 born Liverpool Lancs.
Rest born Birmingham Warks.

I can't see any of these in 1891.

Is this still a Brickwall, or have you solved it?

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