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1891: 22 Cherry Orchard, Rowley Regis
Joseph Sidaway 30 Head Coal Miner
Fanny Sidaway 29 Wife Nail Maker
Agnes Sidaway 5 Dau
James Sidaway 2 Son
Myra Carpenter 49 Mother in Law Wid Retired Nail Maker Halesowen
William Carpenter 17 Brother S Lab at ? Oven
Elizabeth Carpenter 13 Sister
Harry Carpenter 11 Brother
Thomas Carpenter 9 Brother
George Carpenter 6 Brother
(others born Rowley Regis)

1901: Cherry Orchard
Joseph Sidaway 46 Head Marr Coal Miner Hewer
Fanny Sidaway 38 Wife
Agnes Sidaway 13 Dau .......Marriage 1907: SIDAWAY Agnes BELCHER Isaac Cradley Heath, St Luke Sandwell Register Office 20/4/448
James Sidaway 38 ???? Son (thats what it states on the census) Old Hill, Staffs
Edith Sidaway 9 Dau Old Hill, Staffs

1911: 25 Cherry Orchard ,Old Hill ,Staffordshire
Joseph Sidaway 57 Head Coal Miner and Loader married 25 years
Fanny Sidaway 49 Wife - children: 5/3/2
James Sidaway 22 Son S Horse Driver Coal Hauler
Edith Sidaway 19 Dau S

She's already on BCC - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=338394

need this marriage...

Marriage 1907
SIDAWAY Agnes BELCHER Isaac Cradley Heath, St Luke Sandwell Register Office 20/4/448

Isaac Belcher is one of mine

Marriage Details: 22 December 1907 at St Luke's, Redal Hill
Isaac Belcher - 21yrs - Bachelor - Labourer - Old Hill - Enos Belcher - Labourer
Agnes Sidaway - 22yrs - Spinster - Old Hill - Joseph Sidaway - [BLANK]
Witnesses: James Sidaway, Annie Guest

1911 Census - 51 Cherry Orchard, Old Hill, Staffs
Isaac Belcher – Head.M– 24 – Boatman’s Labourer/General Haulier – Old Hill, Staffs
Agnes Belcher – Wife – 25 – Chainmaker/small iron – Old Hill, Staffs
Cyril Belcher – Son – 2mths – Old Hill, Staffs
Married: 3yrs 3 Children 1 Living 2 Died

I don't have anymore info on Agnes.

Thanks Barb

Found this marriage but I'm not sure if its the correct one...

Marriage 1888
SIDAWAY Joseph JONES Fanny Rowley Regis, St Giles Sandwell Register Office 18/7/178

1891 Census has Myra Carpenter as Joseph's mother in Law

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=338534

Can anyone find anything else?

Hi, I am new to this site. I noticed the "Sidaway" name and decided to post to your subject. I just today found where I am related to the Sidaways. I went to the Black Country site and found additional information regarding my family. Sarah Sidaway and Benjamin Barnsley were the parents of Mary Barnsley b. 1738 in Dudley England. Sarah's parents were Amos Sidaway b 1674 and Sarah Wakeman. Amos' parents were John Sidaway b 1645 and Annn Fernihough b. 1648. I am not too sure if this is Agnes's family but if it is I am related.
Deb

Hi Deb, welcome to the forum

Here is Mary Barnsley on BCC - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=338607

Can you tell us any more?

This looks like them, but odd?
Transcribed as Sharpell?
1881. 159 Halesowen Road, Rowley Regis.
William Sharpe? Head, 38, Labourer in Brickyard unemployed,
Mariah, wife, 39,
Fanny, daur, 18? Nailer,
Joseph, son, 15, Lab in brickyard,
William, son, 7
Elizabeth, daur, 3,
Harry, son, 11 months
\Selina Smith, lodger, 20, nailer,
All born Rowley Regis

I'm a bit confused Jo

18 Jun 1888 St Giles Rowley Regis
Joseph SIDAWAY 30 B Miner Old Hill Father William Priest (Dec) No Occupation Given
Fanny JONES 26 S Old Hill Father David Carpenter (Dec) No Occupation Given
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Benjamin Haden X / Eliza Haden X

Thanks Rocky, but I'm even more confused now

rockyfowler wrote:18 Jun 1888 St Giles Rowley Regis
Joseph SIDAWAY 30 B Miner Old Hill Father William Priest (Dec) No Occupation Given
Fanny JONES 26 S Old Hill Father David Carpenter (Dec) No Occupation Given
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Benjamin Haden X / Eliza Haden X

Here's Fanny's parents marriage...

Marriage 1863
CARPENTER David JONES Mira Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/62

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Marriage entry
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Field Value
County Worcestershire
Place Halesowen
Church name St John the Baptist
Register type
Register entry number 62
Marriage date 4 Jan 1863
Groom forename David
Groom surname CARPENTER
Groom age 32
Groom condition widower
Groom abode Hill
Groom occupation engineer
Bride forename Mira
Bride surname JONES
Bride age 21
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Hill
Bride occupation nailer
Groom father forename Joseph
Groom father surname CARPENTER
Groom father occupation labourer
Bride father forename James
Bride father surname JONES
Bride father occupation labourer
Witness1 forename John
Witness1 surname LOWE
Witness2 forename Eliza
Witness2 surname COLE

After Banns David Signed The Mark of Mira , Both wits used their Mark

You beat me to it RF

Myra (Jones) Carpenter

1851: Upper Quinton, Ridgacre
James Jones, Head.M, 40, Nailforger
Phebe Jones, Wife, 35, Nailforger
Myra Jones, Dau, 9, Scholar
Adam Jones, Son, 6, Scholar
Elias Jones, Son, 2
(All born Halesowen)

1861: Cornbow Wood, Hill, Halesowen
James Jones, Head.M, 49, Nailer
Phoebe Jones, Wife, 46, Nailer, Long Lane, Hill, Halesowen
Myra Jones, Dau, 17, Nailer
Adam Jones, Son, 15, Nailer
Elias Jones, Son, 12, Nailer
Amelia Jones, Dau, 7, Scholar, Hill Township
James Jones, Son, 4, Hill Township
(All others born Carters Lane, Lapal, Worcs)

From FreeREG
Marriage: 4 Jan 1863 at St John the Baptist, Halesowen
David Carpenter, 32, Wid, Engineer, Hill, Joseph Carpenter, Labourer
Mira Jones, 21, S, Nailer, Hill, James Jones, Labourer
Wit: John Lowe, Eliza Cole
After Banns David Signed The Mark of Mira , Both wits used their Mark

Possible Death - Deaths Dec 1866
CARPENTER David 37 Birmingham 6d 67

1871: Gosty Hill, Rowley Regis
Mirah Carpenter, Head.Wid, 48, Nail Maker
Fanny Carpenter, Dau, 8, Scholar = she marries Joseph Sidaway and was illegitimate? daughter of Myra (Jones) Carpenter
Rachael Carpenter, Dau, 4
Benjamin Hacket, Lodger.UM, 26, Labourer
Benjamin Smith, Lodger.UM, 33, Labourer
(All born Rowley Regis)

1881: ???????????? Can't find Myra

1891: 22 Cherry Orchard, Rowley Regis
Joseph Sidaway 30 Head Coal Miner
Fanny Sidaway 29 Wife Nail Maker
Agnes Sidaway 5 Dau
James Sidaway 2 Son
Myra Carpenter, 49, Mother in Law.Wid, Retired Nail Maker, Halesowen
William Carpenter, 17, Brother in Law, Labourer at Breeze Oven
Elizabeth Carpenter, 13, Sister in Law
Harry Carpenter 11 Brother in Law
Thomas Carpenter 9 Brother in Law
George Carpenter 6 Brother in Law
(Others born Rowley Regis)

1901: Cherry Orchard, Old Hill, Rowley Regis
Maria Carpenter, Head.Wid, 58, Halesowen
William Shepherd, Boarder.S, 57, General Labourer, Fernal? Heath Worcs
Joseph Carpenter, Son.S, 36, General Labourer, Rowley Regis
Harry Carpenter, Son.S, 21, General Labourer, Old Hill
George Carpenter, Son.S, 16, (?) Drawer, Old Hill

1911: 29 Wagon Street, Old Hill
Myra Carpenter, Head.Wid, 68
Joseph Carpenter, Son.S, 47, Labourer/Bricklayer
Harry Carpenter, Son.S, 30, Carter/Iron Dealer
(All born Rowley Regis)

Look-up done by RF
18 Jun 1888 St Giles Rowley Regis
Joseph SIDAWAY 30 B Miner Old Hill Father William Priest (Dec) No Occupation Given
Fanny JONES 26 S Old Hill Father David Carpenter (Dec) No Occupation Given
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Benjamin Haden X / Eliza Haden X

Ah, now I wonder if the 1881 census which Jo found is the right one. This census could read William SHARPED on the image and could be Shepherd as there is a William Shepherd living with Maria Carpenter in the 1901 census, or am I trying to make it fit in? but all the others name fit.

That all makes good sense to me, and yes I can see where Jo was coming from now

David Carpenter & wife Mira (Jones) are already on BCC - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=338697