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dsidaways info for Bcc for Northern Lass

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 5:04 am
by dsidaway
John Henry Sidaway, (b. 1861) married to Rebecca Tromans, (b. 1864; d. Feb 25, 1938)

John Henry Sidaway (b. 1861), as a 20-year-old, was a piano player at movie theatres that ran silent films and turned to teaching after the talkies arrived according to aunts and uncles and the "1881 census - David Sidaway" (b. 1837) lists John Henry as a pianist. The family lore has it that John Henry and his writing partner, no name, wrote the music and lyrics to It's A Long Way To Tipperary and lost the rights to the song in a bar bet.

The "1911 census - John Henry Sidaway" (b. 1861) states that John Henry and Rebecca had 13 children, 8 of whom were alive at the time of the census. The "1891 Census - John Henry Sidaway" (b. 1861) lists a 6-month-old Florence who is no longer listed on the following "1901 Census - John Henry Sidaway" (b. 1861). I believe that Florence is one of the 5 that died.

I have the will of Rebecca Tromans, 213 Titford Rd, Langley, Oldbury, County Worcester and it makes reference to these people:

    Brother: William Tromans, 90 Petford St, Old Hill, County Stafford, retired builder
    Son: William Sidaway, 216 Tat Bank Rd, Oldbury, foundryman
    Daughter of William Sidaway: Sylvia Sidaway
    Son: Harold Sidaway
    Son: John Henry Sidaway
    Son: Charles Edward Sidaway
    Daughter: Beatrice B--field (nee Sidaway)... it looks like Binfield but I can't be sure.
    Children of Beatrice B--field: Cedric and Eveline
    Daughter: Lily Jackson (nee Sidaway)
    Husband of Lily Jackson: Walter Jackson
    Predeceased daughter: Annie Jemima Baldock (nee Sidaway)
    Children of Annie Jemima Baldock: Frank and Florence Baldock



John Henry Sidaway, (b. Feb 13, 1888; d. Dec 21, 1973) married 1913 to Ellen "Nell" Watson (b. Feb 17, 1889; d. Dec 4, 1960)

Children

    Daughter: Olive (b. July 4, 1913; d. June 22, 2005)
    Daughter: Florence Edna (b. Feb 3, 1919; d. Feb 7, 1953)
    Son: John Francis "Frank" (b. April 29, 1921; April 8, 2007)
    Son: Horace (b. July 29, 1924; d. Jan 30, 1994)
    Son: Jack (b. Oct 29, 1927; d. Oct 1, 2000)
    Daughter: Beatrice "Betty" (b. Dec 4, 1929; living)
    Son: Leonard (b. May 26, 1932; living and my father)

All the deceased of the family of John Henry Sidaway (b. 1888) are buried at the Mount Royal Cemetery in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Olive and Edna were born in England and the rest in Montreal. The family disappears from the English Census forms because the family emigrated to Canada in 1920, returning to England in 1934 and emigrating for the last time in 1938, after the death of Rebecca Sidaway (nee Tromans).

Re: dsidaways info for Bcc for Northern Lass

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 9:29 am
by peterd

Re: dsidaways info for Bcc for Northern Lass

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 9:32 am
by peterd
SIDAWAY John H WATSON Ellen 1913 Oldbury, St Michael & All Angels (Langley) West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 13/2/84

Re: dsidaways info for Bcc for Northern Lass

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 9:42 am
by peterd
1921; 403 9 Ave, Hochelaga, Rosemount, St Michaels, Montreal,

John Sidaway 33 deliver
Ellen Sidaway 32
Frank Sidaway 1/12 Quebec
Flore Sidaway 7
Edna Sidaway 2 Qebec
rest england

Re: dsidaways info for Bcc for Northern Lass

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 10:00 am
by peterd
I have the will of Rebecca Tromans, 213 Titford Rd, Langley, Oldbury, County Worcester and it makes reference to these people:

Brother: William Tromans, 90 Petford St, Old Hill, County Stafford, retired builder

Son: William Sidaway, 216 Tat Bank Rd, Oldbury, foundryman
Daughter of William Sidaway: Sylvia Sidaway

Son: Harold Sidaway
Son: John Henry Sidaway
Son: Charles Edward Sidaway

Daughter: Beatrice B--field (nee Sidaway)... it looks like Binfield but I can't be sure.
Children of Beatrice B--field: Cedric and Eveline

Daughter: Lily Jackson (nee Sidaway)
Husband of Lily Jackson: Walter Jackson
Predeceased daughter: Annie Jemima Baldock (nee Sidaway)
Children of Annie Jemima Baldock: Frank and Florence Baldock





looks like William

1911; 89 Petford Street, Old Hill, Staffs

William Tromans 41 Bricklayer
Esther Tromans 42 (married 18 years, 3 born, 1 living, 2 died)
Joseph Tromans 18 Carpenter
all born Rowley

poss marriage

TROMANS William STRINGER Esther 1892 Dudley, St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill West Midlands Dudley Register Office 203/006/465


poss esther connects to linell

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=338265

Re: dsidaways info for Bcc for Northern Lass

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 10:11 am
by peterd
Daughter: Beatrice B--field (nee Sidaway)... it looks like Binfield but I can't be sure.
Children of Beatrice B--field: Cedric and Eveline





SIDAWAY Beatrice BINFIELD Alfred 1909 Oldbury, St Michael & All Angels (Langley) West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 13/2/21


1911; 85 Crosswell Road, Langley Green, Bham

Alfred Binfield 37 Iron Driller,(railway company) Lozelle? Birmingham
Beatrice Binfield 26 (married 1 year, 1 born, 1 living) halesowen
Eveline Binfield 5/12 langley

Re: dsidaways info for Bcc for Northern Lass

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 10:18 am
by peterd
poss other kids


Births Jun 1912
Binfield Lilian Sidaway W.Bromwich 6b 1555


Births Jun 1916
Binfield Alfred Sidaway W.Bromwich 6b 1501


Births Dec 1919
BINFIELD Horace Sidaway W. Bromwich 6b 1695


Births Sep 1924
Binfield Cedri Sidaway W.Bromwich 6b 1422

Re: dsidaways info for Bcc for Northern Lass

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 10:27 am
by peterd
Daughter: Lily Jackson (nee Sidaway)
Husband of Lily Jackson: Walter Jackson

Predeceased daughter: Annie Jemima Baldock (nee Sidaway)
Children of Annie Jemima Baldock: Frank and Florence Baldock




poss mar

SIDAWAY Lily JACKSON Walter T 1915 Oldbury, Holy Trinity West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 17/3/138




Births Jun 1917
Jackson Walter J W Sidaway W. Bromwich 6b 1304


Births Jun 1919
Jackson Stanley H Sidaway W. Bromwich 6b 1094



poss mar

SIDAWAY Annie J BALDOCK George 1916 Oldbury, Christ Church West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 12/7/397


Births Jun 1918
Baldock Frank Sidaway W.Bromwich 6b 1299


Births Dec 1921
Baldock Florence Sidaway W.Bromwich 6b 1552

Re: dsidaways info for Bcc for Northern Lass

Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 10:37 am
by peterd
Son: William Sidaway, 216 Tat Bank Rd, Oldbury, foundryman
Daughter of William Sidaway: Sylvia Sidaway



two poss

SIDAWAY William BOURNE Emily 1914 Oldbury, St Michael & All Angels (Langley) West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 13/2/130


Births Dec 1924
Sidaway Sylvia Bourne W.Bromwich 6b 1327


and


SIDAWAY William BOSWELL Ruth 1917 Dudley, St Andrew West Midlands Dudley Register Office 205/014/257



Births Mar 1938
Sidaway Sylvia Boswell Rowley R. 6b 1233




as Rebecca didn't die till feb 1938 poss mar quarter 1938 Sylvia was born before Rebecca died ?

Re: dsidaways info for Bcc for Northern Lass

Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 3:23 am
by dsidaway
peterd wrote:1921; 403 9 Ave, Hochelaga, Rosemount, St Michaels, Montreal,

John Sidaway 33 deliver
Ellen Sidaway 32
Frank Sidaway 1/12 Quebec
Flore Sidaway 7
Edna Sidaway 2 Qebec
rest england


Let me just clarify some of the above info. Flore is a bad transcription by, I'm guessing Ancestory. It's actually Olive and if you look carefully at the census, you will see it. In this list, only Frank is Canadian born (Montreal), everyone else is British born. The census was taken in the Hochelaga, Rosemount (now Rosemont) and St. Michaels (now Saint-Michel) districts of Montreal. 9 Ave is actually in the Rosemont district. These days, no one would add the district to their address but people, like my cousins, will tell you they lived in Rosemont.

Re: dsidaways info for Bcc for Northern Lass

Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:49 am
by Northern Lass
Thanks ds

added some of that to Bcc.

will move to arc. now. :grin: