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I am trying to search for the ancestry of Alice Maude Gregory born around 1889/1890.

There have been a few people in my family who have tried to search for her birth certificate or christening etc, but it seems like none existed. She was my great grandmother - and there were rumours among her children/my grandfather and aunties that she was adopted. What should I do next? This really is a brick wall for me.

The only information that I have about her from offical documents is her marriage certificate - She married William Shaw in Jan, 1911 in Bedwelty, Monmouth, Wales. Her father is listed as Robert Gregory. I know from family history that she grew up in Cardiff.

So if anyone can give me some advice about what to do next if she was adopted or taken in by the family I would really appreciate because lots of people from family have given it a go but have reached a stumbling block when it comes to going back any further than Alice Gregory.

Thanks for reading, Rebecca

moved to Gen discussion
will move back to brickwalls if it still proves to be one

What was Robert Gregory's occupation Rebecca?

Hi Becca
Do you have this
1901
63 Hughes Place, Eglwysilan, Pontypridd
Robert Hugh Gregory 53 - Pennant? stone quarry man - b Cardiff
Mary Rosina Gregory 49 - b Merthyr
Albert Charles Gregory 15 - Coalminer C Hewer
Alice Maud Gregory 14 - Daug
Willie Gregory 10
Blodwen Cousins 5 - Neice
others b Pontypridd
Language spoken Mary Rosina speaks both, other English

I found that one too Farside, this Robert was a Stone Quarry man.

Any use Rebecca?

who were the witness on alice wedding cert ?

FarSide wrote:Hi Becca
Do you have this
1901
63 Hughes Place, Eglwysilan, Pontypridd
Robert Hugh Gregory 53 - Pennant? stone quarry man - b Cardiff
Mary Rosina Gregory 49 - b Merthyr
Albert Charles Gregory 15 - Coalminer C Hewer
Alice Maud Gregory 14 - Daug
Willie Gregory 10
Blodwen Cousins 5 - Neice
others b Pontypridd
Language spoken Mary Rosina speaks both, other English

Could this be them?

1891: Graisyn, Helfa Houses, Glystaff, Glamorgan (that what It looks like to me)
Robert George (Gregory on Image) 42 Head Quarryman Cardiff, Glamorgan
Mary George (Gregory on Image) 38 Wife Merthyr, Glamorgan
Robert Henry Collins 11 Nephew Cardiff
Albert C Dgregory 5 Nephew Pontypridd, Glamorgan
Alice M Rowell ( looks like Powell/Powill on Image) 22 Neice (says 2 on image) Neath, Glamorgan

Next door..

Edward F Evans 21 Head Coalminer Cardiff
Mary C Evans 19 Wife Somerset, Gloucester

1881: (cant read) Llantwit Vairdre, Glamorgan
Robert Albert Gregory 32 Head Gen Lab Cardiff
Mary Gregory 28 Wife Merthyr
Edward Richd. Evans 11 Brother In Law? Cardiff
Maria Jane Evans 11 Dau In Law (sister written above dau in law)
Elizabeth Collins 22 Sister In Law M Charwoman Newport, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Ann Collins 6 Neice Pontypridd
Robert Hy. Collins 2 Nephew Cardiff

Could this be them?

1891: Graisyn, Helfa Houses, Glystaff, Glamorgan (that what It looks like to me)
Robert George (Gregory on Image) 42 Head Quarryman Cardiff, Glamorgan
Mary George (Gregory on Image) 38 Wife Merthyr, Glamorgan
Robert Henry Collins 11 Nephew Cardiff
Albert C Dgregory 5 Nephew Pontypridd, Glamorgan
Alice M Rowell ( looks like Powell/Powill on Image) 22 Neice (says 2 on image) Neath, Glamorgan

if this census is correct then it will prove the romour of alice maud ( 2 on image ) being adopted

Births Sep 1889.
Powell Alice Maud. Pontypridd. 11a. 452.

The district Pontypridd spans the boundaries of the counties of Glamorgan and Mid Glamorgan.

poss alice maud powell ? Glamorgan and Monmouthshire area


Births Dec 1884
Powell Alice Maud Llanelly 11a 818

Births Dec 1885
Powell Alice Maud Cardiff 11a 250

Births Mar 1888
POWELL Alice Maud Bedwellty 11a 101 ?

Births Jun 1888
POWELL Alice Maud Crickhowell 11b 104

Births Sep 1889
Powell Alice Maud Pontypridd 11a 452

Births Mar 1890
Powell Alice Maud Pontypool 11a 166


was there a reason for her to get married in bedwelty parents married there ? parents buried there ? or was she born there as census inconsistant ?

This looks like Robert in 1881.
but with a different middle name to 1901.
1881.

Robert Albert GREGORY. Head M Male 32 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Labourer General.
Mary GREGORY. Wife M Female 28 Merthyr, Glamorgan,
Edward Richd. EVANS. Brother In Law U Male 11 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Scholar.
Maria Jane EVANS. Sister In Law U Female 11 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Scholar.
Elizabeth COLLINS. Sister In Law M Female 22 Newport, Monmouth, Charwoman.
Elizabeth Ann COLLINS. Niece U Female 6 P'pridd, Glamorgan, Scholar.
Robert Hy. COLLINS. Nephew U Male 2 Cardiff, Glamorgan.

47 Tramroad Side.
Llantwit Vairdre, Glamorgan, Wales.

mallosa wrote:
1881: (cant read) Llantwit Vairdre, Glamorgan
Robert Albert Gregory 32 Head Gen Lab Cardiff
Mary Gregory 28 Wife Merthyr
Edward Richd. Evans 11 Brother In Law? Cardiff
Maria Jane Evans 11 Dau In Law (sister written above dau in law)
Elizabeth Collins 22 Sister In Law M Charwoman Newport, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Ann Collins 6 Neice Pontypridd
Robert Hy. Collins 2 Nephew Cardiff

Thanks for that address Jimmy, I couldn't make it out

could this be robert and mary marriage and its bedwelty again ?

Marriages Dec 1870

Gregory Robert Bedwelty 11a 121
James Mary Ann Bedwelty 11a 121
LAVIS William Bedwelty 11a 121
LOVELL Tomzon Bedwelty 11a 121


bedwelty was Created : 1.7.1861 (out of Abergavenny district)

this is the area it covers

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/dist ... welty.html

and here the BEDWELLTY REGISTRATION DISTRICT if it needed

http://gov-certificates.co.uk/districts/bedwelty.php

Hi Peterd
I thought that but I noticed it as a Edward Evans down as Brother in law.

Robert Albert Gregory 32 Head Gen Lab Cardiff
Mary Gregory 28 Wife Merthyr
Edward Richd. Evans 11 Brother In Law? Cardiff
Maria Jane Evans 11 Dau In Law (sister written above dau in law)
Elizabeth Collins 22 Sister In Law M Charwoman Newport, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Ann Collins 6 Neice Pontypridd
Robert Hy. Collins 2 Nephew Cardiff

peterd wrote:

Could this be them?

1891: Graisyn, Helfa Houses, Glystaff, Glamorgan (that what It looks like to me)
Robert George (Gregory on Image) 42 Head Quarryman Cardiff, Glamorgan
Mary George (Gregory on Image) 38 Wife Merthyr, Glamorgan
Robert Henry Collins 11 Nephew Cardiff
Albert C Dgregory 5 Nephew Pontypridd, Glamorgan
Alice M Rowell ( looks like Powell/Powill on Image) 22 Neice (says 2 on image) Neath, Glamorgan

if this census is correct then it will prove the romour of alice maud ( 2 on image ) being adopted

I haven't got a clue if/how this fits with above but I think it's worth posting ...EVANS, POWELL, GREGORY ???

1871: Rickard St, Glamorgan Llantwit Fardre (registration district - Pontypridd)
Edward Evans 32 Head M News? Vendor
Maria Evans 35 M House Keeper
Mary Powell 19 Dau U Merthyr, Glam
Phillip Powell 16 Son U Haulier Cardiff
Elizabeth Powell 13 Dau U Newport, Mon
Amelia Powell 10 Dau Cardiff
Edward Evans 1 Son Cardiff
Maria Evans 1 Dau Cardiff
Jane Gregory 48 Lodger Wid Glamorgan
Robert Gregory 22 Lodger U Lab Iron Works Cardiff, Glam
Henry Gregory 20 Lodger U Lab Iron Works Cardiff, Glam
Robert Bains (Burns?)30 M Pudlar Ireland
Mary Barns (Burns?) 34 M Stone, Staffordshire
Thos Davies 31 Lodger U Curaavon, Glamorgan