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Marriage 1845
SMART Joseph CHAPMANS Hannah Dudley, St Thomas, Dudley Register Office 204/006/259

from Freereg...
Marriage 9th June 1845 St Thomas, Dudley
Joseph Smart Bachelor Miner Oakey Well Street (no fathers details)
Hannah Chapmans Spinster Oakey Well Street father William Chapmans labourer
Wit: Benjamin Bennitt/Mary A Smart
By Banns-Groom Bride & witnesses marked X

1851: Dudley Road, Tipton Staffs
Joseph Smart 35 Head Coalminer Dudley
Hannah Smart 35 Wife London
Mary Ann Smart 4 Dau Tipton
Joseph Smart 1 Son Tipton

1861: Dudley Port, Tipton, Staffs
Joseph Smart 40 Coal Miner Dudley
Hannah Smart 39 London MIddlesex
Mary A Smart 14 Dau Brickmaker Tipton
Joseph Smart 11 Son Lab in Colliery Tipton
Emanuel Smart 10 mths Son Tipton

I cant find either of them pre-marriage

I wonder if it could possibly be the 2nd one?

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1841. Hill Street, Dudley,
Mary Smart, 45
Jno, 21, Chain maker
Pheobe, 21,
Danl, 15, Shoe M,
Joseph, 15, Fender maker,
Saml, 15, chain maker
Mary, 12,
PhilipHamblett? 3
All born County

1841. Stafford Street, Dudley
Mary Robinson, 50,
John, 25, Collier,
Benjamin, 20, Shoe M,
David, 7,
/Joseph Smart, 15, Collier
All born in County

1841. Double Row, Dudley
Joseph Smart, 45, Nailer
Mary, 44,
Phobe, 19, Nailer
Joseph, 15, nailer
Mary, 14, nailer
Sarah, 12, nailer
Daniel, 8,
Thomas, 6
All born in County

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1841. Dudley Port, Tipton.
William Chapman, 49, Lab, born in County
George, 22, Mill man, born in County
Hannah, 19, (blank)
Eliza, 15, born in County
Sophia, 13, born in County

FreeREG
Welcome to the home of U.K. Parish Register Information.
Search Record Details
County Worcestershire
Place Halesowen
Church St. John the Baptist
RegisterNumber 27
MarriageDate 24 May 1847
GroomForename Joseph
GroomSurname SMART
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation nailer
GroomAbode Borough
BrideForename Ruth
BrideSurname STOKES
BrideAge 20
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation nailer
BrideAbode Hasbury
GroomFatherForename Joseph
GroomFatherSurname SMART
GroomFatherOccupation nailer
BrideFatherForename George
BrideFatherSurname STOKES
BrideFatherOccupation miner
WitnessOneForename Edward
WitnessOneSurname SMART
WitnessTwoForename Hannah
WitnessTwoSurname COLEY
Notes
FileNumber 7078

One of the witnesses is Mary A Smart, could she be sister??

Theres a marriage??
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1847
SMART Mary A WOODALL Joseph Sedgley, All Saints Dudley Register Office 216/005/38

Could this be them?
1851 George Street, Dudley
Joseph Woodall, head, 24, Miner,
Mary Ann, wife, 22, Boot binder
John, son, 3,
Elizabeth, daur, 1
Mary Smart, mother in law, W, 64, Charwoman,
Philip Wright, visitor, 12,
All born Dudley

Thanks for your help, sorry for the delay but not been able to look at this today, wont be at home again until Sunday

grangers14 wrote:One of the witnesses is Mary A Smart, could she be sister??

Theres a marriage??
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1847
SMART Mary A WOODALL Joseph Sedgley, All Saints Dudley Register Office 216/005/38

Could this be them?
1851 George Street, Dudley
Joseph Woodall, head, 24, Miner,
Mary Ann, wife, 22, Boot binder
John, son, 3,
Elizabeth, daur, 1
Mary Smart, mother in law, W, 64, Charwoman,
Philip Wright, visitor, 12,
All born Dudley

I thourght some of the names sounded familiar - I came across Joseph Woodall and Mary Ann Smart, while researching another Joseph and Mary Ann Woodall - mine turned out to be Mary Ann Taylor. Both families lived in the Dudley area. To avoid confussion, they are here on BCC:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections
More info here:
http://www.sjfellows.tribalpages.com/fa ... all-Family

I don't think that the Joseph that marries Hannah Chapman is this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =499013219

where is Oakey well street near?

rockyfowler wrote:FreeREG
Welcome to the home of U.K. Parish Register Information.
Search Record Details
County Worcestershire
Place Halesowen
Church St. John the Baptist
RegisterNumber 27
MarriageDate 24 May 1847
GroomForename Joseph
GroomSurname SMART
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation nailer
GroomAbode Borough
BrideForename Ruth
BrideSurname STOKES
BrideAge 20
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation nailer
BrideAbode Hasbury
GroomFatherForename Joseph
GroomFatherSurname SMART
GroomFatherOccupation nailer
BrideFatherForename George
BrideFatherSurname STOKES
BrideFatherOccupation miner
WitnessOneForename Edward
WitnessOneSurname SMART
WitnessTwoForename Hannah
WitnessTwoSurname COLEY
Notes
FileNumber 7078

this one is on Bcc here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=38070969

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Not that one on Bcc ......as in 1871 Joseph is with his mother see below


1851: Dudley Road, Tipton Staffs
Joseph Smart 35 Head Coalminer Dudley
Hannah Smart 35 Wife London
Mary Ann Smart 4 Dau Tipton
Joseph Smart 1 Son Tipton

1861: Dudley Port, Tipton, Staffs
Joseph Smart 40 Coal Miner Dudley
Hannah Smart 39 London MIddlesex
Mary A Smart 14 Dau Brickmaker Tipton
Joseph Smart 11 Son Lab in Colliery Tipton
Emanuel Smart 10 mths Son Tipton


1871
13 Bailey Street Tipton Staffs.
Joseph Smart head wid 52 Coal miner Worcs. Dudley
Mary Smart mother wid 74 Pauper
John Cooper son in law mar 25 coal miner Staffs. Bilston
Mary Ann Cooper mar dau 24 b Tipton
Joseph Smart Son 21 unmarried coalminer
Emmanuel Smart son 11 Coal miner
Charles Cooper Grandson 2
all others born Tipton

I will put a note on Bcc as not this Joseph as mother is with hubby of that one in 1871

the Joseph married to Hannah is prob illeg

I will add this as a new family

can we find mother on census in 1861

adding here..
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =419051659

This could be her...the name Emanuel is there too

1861 Mamble Dudley
Mary Smart head wid 62
Emanuel Smart son unm 22
Caroline Smart dau unm 20 nail maker
/William Lilly head married 33 Coal miner
Sarah Lilly wife mar 32
Edward Lilly son 8 scholar
Sarah Ann Lilly dau 5
John Lilly son 2
all born Dudley

Can't see them in 1851

a tree on Ancestry has emanuel married to a Harriet smart that marriage may have no father on too.

any bapts?

Northern Lass wrote:This could be her...the name Emanuel is there too

1861 Mamble Dudley
Mary Smart head wid 62
Emanuel Smart son unm 22
Caroline Smart dau unm 20 nail maker
/William Lilly head married 33 Coal miner
Sarah Lilly wife mar 32
Edward Lilly son 8 scholar
Sarah Ann Lilly dau 5
John Lilly son 2
all born Dudley

1848
LILLEY William SMART Sarah Dudley, St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill Dudley Register Office 203/001/99