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Hi
Any advice or pointers on this would be wonderful

Arthur Rose born Dec 1874 appears in a roll of Honour booklet to the men of Rowley Regis and Area : Rose, Arthur 3715 Pte Royal Warwicks 3rd April 1919 33 Clifton Street

Thanks to Mathsgirl, we know that in 1892 he enlisted in the Worcestershire Regiment. In the photo below it shows that he was in the 4th Battalion - which seems a bit odd because on the Worcestershire Regiment website it says "4th Battalion raised in Ireland on 10th March 1900"

There is something written at the top of the page; does that mean that he P[osted] to the King's Royal Rifles 25/4/94 ??? What is that big "L" doing there?

Would he get a new regimental number after the posting? Is there any way of finding out more? Years ago Northern Lass and I tried to find his army records and thought that everything was lost in the WW2 fire.

Like I said, any ideas are welcome. Thanks.

The L might mean L company ?

OK, thanks

I used to do a bit of proof reading................is it the sign that means to include something new
ie that new info on the rifle reg

I dont think it is an L but a proof reading marker.

Hi,

I maybe able to help with a little bit of deduction.

Arthur like many young men around that time enlisted in the part-time Militia (TA as it's known today) with the 4th Battalion Worcestershire Regiment. If you check his attendance record he attends the annual training from 1892-1893. This fit nicely with the Royal Rifles Regiment 25/4/94 which suggests to me he decided to enlist in the regular army. We find him on the 1911 census married and living in Clifton St, Old Hill so between 1894-1911 he must have left the regular army.

This is really interesting


First Name
A

Last Name
Rose

Soldier Number
9414

Rank
Private

Regiment
The King's Royal Rifle Corps

Year
1899-1902

Notes
The Queen's and King's South Africa Medal Clasps

Rolls
Roll: 196

Units
Unit: 1 The King's Royal Rifle Corps Battalion, Rank: Private, Number: 9414

Record set
Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902

I believe the above is our fellow given the information we have on the King's Royal Rifle Corps. I can add further information found from the King's Royal Rifle Corps Battalion's roll cards that the above soldier also received the clasps South African 1901, 1902, Cape Colony and Orange Free State and the battle clasps: Belfast, Talana, Defense of Ladysmith and Laing's Nek.

The above was discharged the Army at Malta December 1902.

Arthur Rose, Royal Warwickshire Regiment, Pvt, 3715 received the Silver War Badge: Enlisted 10th August 1914 and discharged 13th February 1919 due to sickness. He had served overseas.

I hope the Rose mentioned (Boer War) was our fellow because this will give you lots of information.

I'll keep digging.

Kind regards
Adrian

That is amazing Adrian! Many thanks for digging it out.
If we can firm-up this information then I think Northern lass and I will both be delighted
My grandfather said that Arthur went off to soldier in the Boer War, and he is missing from the 1901 census as far as we know.
On BCC it has his marriage as 22 Dec 1902, which might be a tight fit if he was discharged in Dec that year?

Too many men called A Rose!
There is also one in the 1st Battalion of the KRRC, with No. 8544 sent to Army Res S. A. on 6.8.02 That could be him perhaps.
On one image I see No. 9414 as being a B Rose

Hi,

gardener wrote:Too many men called A Rose!
There is also one in the 1st Battalion of the KRRC, with No. 8544 sent to Army Res S. A. on 6.8.02 That could be him perhaps.
On one image I see No. 9414 as being a B Rose

The 9414 is indeed B Rose and the transcription I took from a well known website is incorrect and the reason is that B Rose appears directly under No. 8544 A rose on the Battalions roll. They have been very lazy in their transcribing and If you hadn't been able to cross check this it would have been very misleading.

I'm confident the A rose you mention above is our fellow but it's frustrating that they only use the initial not full christian name.

How can we confirm this A Rose ?

Must be a way somehow.

Adrian

apowell wrote:Hi,

I maybe able to help with a little bit of deduction.

Arthur like many young men around that time enlisted in the part-time Militia (TA as it's known today) with the 4th Battalion Worcestershire Regiment. If you check his attendance record he attends the annual training from 1892-1893. This fit nicely with the Royal Rifles Regiment 25/4/94 which suggests to me he decided to enlist in the regular army. We find him on the 1911 census married and living in Clifton St, Old Hill so between 1894-1911 he must have left the regular army.

This is really interesting


First Name
A

Last Name
Rose

Soldier Number
9414

Rank
Private

Regiment
The King's Royal Rifle Corps

Year
1899-1902

Notes
The Queen's and King's South Africa Medal Clasps

Rolls
Roll: 196

Units
Unit: 1 The King's Royal Rifle Corps Battalion, Rank: Private, Number: 9414

Record set
Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902

I believe the above is our fellow given the information we have on the King's Royal Rifle Corps. I can add further information found from the King's Royal Rifle Corps Battalion's roll cards that the above soldier also received the clasps South African 1901, 1902, Cape Colony and Orange Free State and the battle clasps: Belfast, Talana, Defense of Ladysmith and Laing's Nek.

The above was discharged the Army at Malta December 1902.

Arthur Rose, Royal Warwickshire Regiment, Pvt, 3715 received the Silver War Badge: Enlisted 10th August 1914 and discharged 13th February 1919 due to sickness. He had served overseas.

I hope the Rose mentioned (Boer War) was our fellow because this will give you lots of information.

I'll keep digging.

Kind regards
Adrian

Thanks for this info Adrian

Gardener am I adding this to Arthur on Bcc then....is this our Arthur?
Military stuff I get lost on

Hi NL
The middle bit about A Rose in the Boer War needs some work before it is added, unless you want to add it with a note that it is not quite certain.
If it is him in South Africa then he had quite a time over there!

gardener wrote:Hi NL
The middle bit about A Rose in the Boer War needs some work before it is added, unless you want to add it with a note that it is not quite certain.
If it is him in South Africa then he had quite a time over there!

He was in the boer war.....that ladysmith ref was what my gran said he had re medals.

can you put in a post what I should add..

Will do, bit later.

Hi
I think this is safe to add

Arthur Rose enlisted with the Militia: (Reg.No. 3345) 4th Battalion Worcestershire Regiment 16.4.1892. Posted to the King's Royal Rifle Corps 25.4.1894
A. Rose (Reg. No. 8544) 1st Battalion King's Royal Rifle Corps: medal rolls, believed to be Arthur Rose but not proven. Granted South Africa Medal 1.4.1901, with clasps for: Laing's Nek,Defence of Ladysmith, Talana and Belfast. Granted Queen's South Africa Medal 1.10,1902, with clasps for: Cape Colony, Orange Free State, South Africa 1901 and South Africa 1902. Granted King's South Africa Medal 1.10.1902, with clasps for: South Africa 1901 and South Africa 1902. Posted to Army Reserves, South Africa 6.8.1902.

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I think that the proposed discharge "at Malta December 1902" is wrong. That is the place and date of the signing for the King's South Africa Medal . From the image it looks as though many of the many on the list had been invalided out/sent home already. For A Rose it has the note about the Army Reserves. The Queen's South African medal roll is similar, but dated Malta, January 1903. The South African Medal roll is date August 1901 and the place is Potfontein, Cape Colony.

There is an old history of the Boer War https://archive.org/details/historyofboerwar02cunl I have not read it read but the first section is about Ladysmith..

Hi,

Northern Lass wrote:

gardener wrote:Hi NL
The middle bit about A Rose in the Boer War needs some work before it is added, unless you want to add it with a note that it is not quite certain.
If it is him in South Africa then he had quite a time over there!

He was in the boer war.....that ladysmith ref was what my gran said he had re medals.

can you put in a post what I should add..

That's great news that we have confirmed and lots of further information.

Take care
Adrian

Ok thanks I am moving this to BC area to sticky and add to Bcc