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done a look up and want to know who her mother is - opening a topic for her hubby

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =564755377

found this

1881 Bromley Street Lye, Worcester,


John CLEWS 29 Oldswinford, Worcester, Clay Miner
Eliza Ann CLEWS 25 Sedgley, Stafford, Clay Sorter (Brick)
John CLEWS 1 Worcester, England
Mary Ann BOBLON Mother In Law W 67 Sedgley, Stafford, No Occupation

2nd marriage
1857
HICKMAN Mary A BETTON John Upper Gornal, St Peter Dudley Register Office 217/001/23

1861
40
Waste, Lye
John Betton 43 - Labourer
Mary Ann Betton 44
William Betton 10
Noah Hickman 9 - son in law
Eliza Ann Hickman 7 - sister in law
all b Sedgley

1871
40 Glede? Street, Lye
John Bretton 51 - Ag lab
Mary A Bretton 55
Eliza A Hickman 17 - Brickmaker
all b Sedgley




ELIZA ANN HICKMAN
Birth: 29 JAN 1854
Christening: 26 FEB 1854 Sedgley, Stafford, England
Parents:
Father: JOHN HICKMAN
Mother: MARY ANN

NOAH HICKMAN
Christening: 15 SEP 1850 Sedgley, Stafford, England
Parents:
Father: JOHN HICKMAN
Mother: MARY ANN

Poss 1st marriage
JOHN HICKMAN
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY SOUTHALL
Marriage: 19 JUN 1848 Sedgley, Stafford

Not sure about this one
1851
64
Chappel Street, Brierley Hill
John Hickman 25 - Glap miller
Mary Hickman 21
Mary Hickman 3
Charles Hickman 1
all b Kingswinford

Just adding this....

Who is that Mary Southall can we link her to the Southalls on Connections or do we need marriage look up ?

and can we find her prior to marrige

dont think that 1851 is her
she is b abt 1814-1817 Sedgley

is southall her married name?

can we find her with first hubby on 1851

and then prior to that

I think this is her

MARY SOUTHALL
Christening: 31 MAY 1812 Sedgley, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: CORNELIUS SOUTHALL
Mother: MARY
Extracted birth

and on 1851 there is a Mary with a pile of kids will post in a min

1851 Gospel End Sedgley

John Hickman 55 h m nailer
Mary Hickman 37 wife
Elizabeth Hickman 20 dau u nailer
Thomas Hickman 19 son u nailer
Edwin Hickman 17 son bricklayer
Cornelius Hickman 15 son chainmaker lab
James Hickman 12 son chainmaker lab
John Hickman 9 son
Hezekiah Hickman 6 son
John Hickman 9 Mo son
all b Sedgley Staffs

the name Cornelius is there
that will be verified by 2 marriages that I have added

she was supposed to marry 1848 to John Hickman!

Elizabeth is b 1831 as the eldest
there is a huge gap betw John Hickman and Mary
was he prev married
which kids are his and which are thiers

rite I am looking up the 2 marriages here to see if her father is Cornelius and see if perhaps John Hickman has a bro Joseph too

cos

On the 1841 at Sedgley

John Hickman 45 nailer
Mary Hickman 25
Elizabeth Hickman 10
Thomas Hickman 6
James Hickman 2
John Hickman 1 mth
Edward Southall 7
Cornelius Southall 5

and above few houses Joseph Hickman and Mary 55 and 45 yrs respectively

now why is Edward and Cornelius down as Southall
do they not have John as father?
Was John prev married
are those kids Johns and Marys

I think that the other kids are Johns and a another!
and this looks like Marys...

CORNELIUS SOUTHALL
Christening: 17 MAY 1836 Sedgley, Stafford,

Parents:
Mother: MARY SOUTHALL

Extracted birth

Something is not rite on this..I dont think that Eliza Hickman is the dau of that John Hickman and that Mary southall.

I think a Mary Southall married a John hickman but not convinced that that Mary (hickman nee southall) then married a John Bettona

and her bapt is mary not Mary ann
MARY SOUTHALL Christening: 31 MAY 1812 Sedgley, Stafford, Parents: Father: CORNELIUS SOUTHALL Mother: MARY Extracted birth

she is Mary on census and 1st marrige
John Hickman is a nailer but a collier on daus marriage cert he is a Collier

and he is not deceased

I dont think this is the same family
I think a John Hickman married Mary Southall and we need to find that family below on the 1861
I think Elizas is a different John Hickman and Mary Ann


1851 Gospel End Sedgley
John Hickman 55 h m nailer
Mary Hickman 37 wife
Elizabeth Hickman 20 dau u nailer
Thomas Hickman 19 son u nailer
Edwin Hickman 17 son bricklayer
Cornelius Hickman 15 son chainmaker lab
James Hickman 12 son chainmaker lab
John Hickman 9 son
Hezekiah Hickman 6 son
John Hickman 9 Mo son
all b Sedgley Staffs


what do you think?

for the moment I am disconnecting...it doesnt sit well

1845
HICKMAN John WESTWOOD Mary A Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/002/21

Archived pend look ups

Have done this look up for me...and they are deffo different Mary/Mary Anns

so this one is here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =195044295

I wondered who the father John Hickman ie Richard Hickman married

MARY SOUTHALL
Christening: 31 MAY 1812 Sedgley, Stafford, England

Father: CORNELIUS SOUTHALL
Mother: MARY

poss sibling parent CORNELIUS SOUTHALL and MARY


SOPHIA SOUTHALL
Christening: 11 JUN 1820 Sedgley, Stafford,
Death: 18 OCT 1824


CORNELIUS SOUTHAL
Christening: 14 MAY 1815 Sedgley, Stafford,


poss marriage extracted

CORNELIUS SOUTHALL
MARY JENKINS
Marriage: 17 OCT 1804 Sedgley, Stafford, England

if this is there marriage should be more kids ?


also CORNELIUS SOUTHALL and jane did cornelius marry twice ?


SOPHIA SOUTHALL
Christening: 25 MAY 1828 Sedgley, Stafford,


SARAH SOUTHALL
Christening: 21 MAR 1830 Sedgley, Stafford,


poss marriage

CORNELIUS SOUTHALL
JANE MARSON
Marriage: 01 JAN 1828 Kingswinford, Stafford,

this might be a son for the above or a second marriage for cornelius

rite guys add what you think is relevant

I think it is a second marriage
calls dau Sophia
first Sophia dies

cant be cornelius son as too young to marry in 1828

I have added with notes and this is now completed with thanks