Completed.............roseannah Tromans b abt 1834

[Northern Lass]

can we link her to tromans on Bcc pls father is a benjamin
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =645323113

can we find her on 1841 pls

[Jimmy]

All ready on BCC,

1841. Beggars Row, Rowley Regis.
Benjn Fromans 44. Harp maker.
Ruth Fromans 46.
Hanah Fromans 12.
Elizabeth Fromans 10.
Sarah Fromans 7.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ans-Family

[nailer2011]

Hi
Are we sure that this Roseanna is the Hannah, daughter of Ruth Harper and Benjamin Tromans (baptised in Park Lane Presbyterian Chapel on 11 November 1827) . The marriage record by RF shows her father was a chain maker but the census records show the husband of Ruth was a Jews Harp Maker (1841) and a Nailer (1851).

H

[Northern Lass]

I think it may be that one H

in 1851 Benjamin is a nailer...chainmaker maybe looked better on certif?

1851
69
New Town, Dudley
Rosannah Trowman 72 1/6 a week from parish - Nailor - b Kingswinford
Benjamin Trowman 53 - Nailor - b Kingswinford
Ruth Trowman 56 - Nailor - b Cradley
Sarah Trowman 4 (on page age 17) - Trace maker - b Rowley


However Hannah/Rosehannahs dob needs fixing
it is all over the place in census

she cant be born 1834 ..........she marries in 1847
so 1827 birth would fit

[Jimmy]

There is one but Ben he is an Harpmaker.

1841. Club ????. Rowley Regis.
Benjamin Tromans 50. Harpmaker.
Ann Tromans 20.
Rhoda Tromans 15.
Geoge Tromans 15.
James Tromans 14.
Hannah Tromans 12.
Mary Tromans 20.
William Tromans 1.

[Jimmy]

On marriage cert it states Rosannah of Dudley.

There is this Ben but no Rosannah in 1841.

1851. Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis.
Benjamin Troman 63. Widow. Labourer. Dudley Port.
Mary Troman 19. Chainmaker. Rowley Regis.
Joseph Troman 17. Chainmaker. Rowley Regis.

Looks like the same one,

1841. Five Ways, Rowley Regis.
Benjn Fromams 48. Nailer.
Phebe Fromams 47.
Benjn Fromams 21.
James Fromams 18.
Ester Fromams 16.
Sarah Fromams 13.
Mary Fromams 9.
Joseph Fromams 5.

[nailer2011]

Jimmy,

I would like the Hannah, daughter of Ruth Harper and Benjamin Tromans, to be your Roseanna, as she is 'in my line' and I agree that her christening date of 1827 is more consistent with a marriage in 1847. However, the marriage records of her sisters, Mary and Sarah refer to their father as a 'Jews Harp Maker'.

As shown on BCC, Mary married Thomas Hopewell in 1843; and Sarah married a Thomas Botfield in 1852. In both marriage records their father Benjamin is shown as a 'Jews Harp Maker' (Sarah's marriage record can be found on FreeReg). Therefore I find it strange that he should be described in 1847 as a 'Chain Maker' - but then as you point out he was also a 'Nailer'.

Rowley Regis was the centre of the Jews Harp Making industry and the Tromans were a very prominent family in that profession and the trade was carried out in addresses like Club Buildings and Beggars Row- please see the link below.
http://rowleyvillage.webs.com/rowleyandthejewsharp.htm


A bit of a mystery

H

[grangers14]

I was looking this morning...Theres a couple of Benjamins in 1841 some Jews Harp Maker and another labourer. Theres also I cant think now, Hannah/Rosannah looking like staying with a family?
I felt it did lead to the first one Jimmy said thats on BCC. In 1851 they were in Beggars Row. Benjamins mother is as R0sannah though. May be we need to look into all Benjamins?
Jo

[Jimmy]

Tried that Jo

[Northern Lass]

It is odd that Mary and Sarah put a very deff occup as Jews harp maker on marriage
so we cant connect up at mo which is a shame.

any other bapts for a roseannah>

do we have her death?

[Jimmy]

Deaths Mar 1896.
Ward Rose Anna. 62. Dudley. 6c. 7.

[Jimmy]

From,

http://freespace.virgin.net/census.data ... RIDGE.html

24.0616. WOR. Halesowen. St Johns. 24. 77. 616.
25 Jun 1837. Sarah. F. Benjamin. Ruth. TROMANS. Cradley Heath. nailer.

[Jimmy]

Name: John Brookes.
Birth Date: 1827.
Age: 23.
Spouse's Name: Hannah Tromans.
Spouse's Birth Date: 1829.
Spouse's Age: 21.
Event Date: 02 Apr 1850.
Event Place: Rowley-Regis, Stafford, England.
Father's Name: Joseph Brookes.
Spouse's Father's Name: Benjamin Tromans.
Marital Status: Single.
Spouse's Marital Status: Single.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01372-5.
System Origin: England-EASy.
GS Film number: 367801.
Reference ID: v68 p244 cn488.

[nailer2011]

Jimmy,
You are trying hard! Fits with the Hannah (age 12) you listed in an earlier post; i.e. the sister of Rhoda and George.

H

[Northern Lass]

Name: John Brookes.
Birth Date: 1827.
Age: 23.
Spouse's Name: Hannah Tromans.
Spouse's Birth Date: 1829.
Spouse's Age: 21.
Event Date: 02 Apr 1850.
Event Place: Rowley-Regis, Stafford, England.
Father's Name: Joseph Brookes.
Spouse's Father's Name: Benjamin Tromans.
Marital Status: Single.
Spouse's Marital Status: Single.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01372-5.
System Origin: England-EASy.
GS Film number: 367801.
Reference ID: v68 p244 cn488.

this one is on bcc
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =800448057