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I have her birth certificate (unfortunately just the short one, issued when she died - for burial) she was born 6 Sept 1899, Dudley, and died 22 Apr 1989 - burial section D in Dudley Borough Cemetery. Looking at this for my aunt (my mothers brothers wife) - she told me years ago her grandmother was a Shakespeare, but has only recently taken an interest, She married a Leonard Street (must do a separate post for the Street family, as there are a number of connections). Family info says they lived near Vicar Steet/ Constitution Hill area.

This is her in 1901:
Spring Gardens, Dudley
Joseph Shakespeare, 38, Pipe Caster
Elizabeth, 40, born Cradley, Worcestershire
William, 7
John, 4
Harriet E, 1
Rest born Dudley

1891, Fountain Street
Joseph Shakespeare, 26, Pipe Moulder
Elizabeth, 27, born Cradley, Worcestershire
Joseph W, 7 week
Rest born Dudley

I am sure this is them in 1911 (I think 'Lissie' aged 12, is Harriet Eliza)
Joseph Shakespeare, 48, Ironworker, (Casting Pipes - in pencil), born Woodside
Lizzie, 53
William, 17, Grocers Assistant
John, 13, School Boy
Lena, 8 School Girl
Lissie, 12, School ''

I think we actually have the following children:
Joseph William b 1891, d 1892
William, b 1894
John, b 1897
Harriet Eliza, b 6 Sept 1899
Lena Elizabeth, b 1902
All b Dudley

Think the most likely marriage:
1889, St Giles, Rowley Regis
Joseph Shakespeare/ Elizabeth Brown

In 1891 they are living in the same household as Joseph Brown.

I wonder if Josephs father is this William who connects to Dennis
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... are-Family

grangers14 wrote:In 1891 they are living in the same household as Joseph Brown.

I wonder if Josephs father is this William who connects to Dennis
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... are-Family

I know a number of trees on @ncestry have that William as his father (think that William was also a pipe moulder) - need to look at Joseph's marriage.

1861. Pedmore Road, Dudley
William Shakespeare, head, 30, Miner
Harriet, wife, 29,
Hannah, daur, 8,
Thomas, son, 6,
William, son, 3
David, son, 2 months

1871. Wall Street, Dudley
Willaim Shakespeare, head, 46, Miner
Harriet, wife, 38,
Hannah, daur, 17,
Thomas, son, 15,
William, son, 13,
David, son, 10,
Joseph, son, 6,
Janbez, son, 4,
Daniel, son, 1
All born Dudley
1881. Hall? Street, Dudley.
William Shakespeare, head, 53, Iron Stone Miner,
Harriet, wife, 49?
Hannah, daur, 26, Nail Maker
William, son, 22, Coal miner
David,son, 19, Moulder
Joseph, son, 17, Moulder
Jabez, son, 16?
Daniel, son, 11,
John, son, 8,
James, son, 6,
Selina, daur, 4
All born Dudley

Yep we can do with the marriage to confirm and also Williams to Harriet Baker

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1850
SHAKESPEAR * William BAKER Harriet Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/010/389

This looks like Harriet…
1841. Holly Hall, Dudley
Daniel Baker, 35, Labourer
Ann, 40,
John, 15,
David, 10,
Harriet, 8,
Mariah, 6,
Ema, 4,
Ann, 2
/William Horton, 15
NK, 3 months
All born in County

1851. Woodside, Dudley.
Ann Baker, Head, W, 50, Pauper (nailer)
Maria, daur, 16, nailer,
Emma, daur, 14, nailer,
Ann. Daur, 11,
Thomas, son, 8,
Danil, son, 5,
Harriet Shakespeare, NK, Mar, 19, Nailer
Jabez Shakespeare, NK, 9 months
All born Woodside

Wonder where William was?

Don't know where William was in 1851, but notice they have a son Jabez born 1850 who must have died as they have a later Jabez.

Incindentally, I think the Hall Street they lived is is not the present day Hall St in Dudley (the one that leads from top of King St (near Bus Station) towards Rowley Regis, but was, in fact, in Woodside - it is now Hallchurch Road.

Jo, think I may have found William, here:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=16394&p=174298#p174298

22 Dec 1889 St Giles Rowley Regis
Joseph SHAKESPEARE 28 B Labourer Perry`s Lake Father William Shakespeare (Dec) No occupation given
Elizabeth BROWN 28 S Springfield Father Joseph Brown Boatmaker
After Banns Joseph Signed The X Of Elizabeth
Wit; Abner Poultney / Ellen Poultney

29 Dec 1850 St Thomas Dudley
William SHAKESPEARE 19 B Miner Woodside Father Thomas Shakespeare (Dec) Nailer
Harriet BAKER 18 S Dudley Father Daniel Baker Labourer
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Hannah Rose X / George Baker X

Thanks RF
I think that ties this and the other thread together.

Working thru this now

cant see harriet on bcc.

do you have this marriage
1926
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SHAKESPEARE Harriett STREET Leonard Dudley, St Luke Dudley Register Office 223/005/107

so I am connecting up Joseph to William?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... are-Family

grangers14 wrote:In 1891 they are living in the same household as Joseph Brown.

I wonder if Josephs father is this William who connects to Dennis
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... are-Family

can someone give me details pls on the 1891 for Joseph Brown does it look like Elizabeths father?

Northern Lass wrote:do you have this marriage
1926
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SHAKESPEARE Harriett STREET Leonard Dudley, St Luke Dudley Register Office 223/005/107

Yes, was planning to do seperate post for Street family - connects to some already on BCC.