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I Believe this Elizabeth:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... are-Family

Married a John Hanbury 1875 St Andrew, Dudley. He was born about 1837 Brockmoor.
Their son, Jeremiah, born abt 1888, Brockmoor, has appeared in the Black Country Bugle, Jan 2010, for a rather unfortunate reason - he was hanged for murder 2 Feb 1933 at Winson Green Prison.

Jeremiah married Eliza Tolley, 1916, Stourbridge Register Office - she died 1928.

Should have added:
before she married, Elizabeth Shakespeare had at least three illegitimate children, Ann b 1863, Lucy b 1868, and Joseph b 1870 (all b Brockmoor).
The middle one of these, Lucy, who also used the name Hanbury, married Benjamin Littleton Pearson, in 1892, he was born 1862, son of Joseph Pearson (1841-1889), and Sarah Ann Harris (1841-1929). This Joseph Pearson was the son of David Pearson (1819-1871) and Ann Wood (1820-1843), and David's parents (Joseph Pearson & Phoebe Parrish) are on BCC here:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... son-Family

So the unfortunate Jeremiah is related to me on at least two different lines.

Theres a chapter on Jerry`s revenge and photos etc all about the murder- in the book Hanged at Birmingham by Steven Fielding page 78

Heres the Bugle Link http://www.blackcountrybugle.co.uk/News ... s-cell.htm

sp1 what have you got that we can verify and connect these up on Bcc

marriage is here
1875
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HANBURY John SHAKESPEARE Elizabeth Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/006/102


needs tbc

Elizabeth is here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =321699486


whre is John Hanbury from

is this him on bcc
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =981270717

can someone post some census for Elizabeth and John pls

then the pearsons
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... son-Family

so we need bapt for Joseph?

Then we need Lucy adding
as dau of Elizabeth shakespear...............any bapt?
Lucy, who also used the name Hanbury, married Benjamin Littleton Pearson, in 1892,


and can we verify line back from Benjamin
where is marriage?

Here's the marriage of Elizabeth Shakespeare & John Hanbury

20 June 1875 at St Andrew, Netherton
John Hanbury, F, B, Furnaceman, Netherton, John Hanbury, Roller
Elizabeth Shakespeare, F, S, Netherton, Dec'd
Wit: Samuel Edwards ?, Phebe Edwards

Shame there's no father's name for Elizabeth

1881 Census – New Town, Brockmoor
John Hanbury, Head.M, 44, Mill Furnaceman in Iron Works
Elizabeth Hanbury, Wife, 37, Rocks Hill, Brierley Hill
Lucy Shakesphere. Dau, 12, Scholar,
Joseph Shakesphere, Son, 10, Scholar
Harry Hanbury, Son, 7, Scholar
Edward Hanbury, Son, 4
Sarah Hanbury, Dau, 2
John Hanbury, Son, 4mths
(All others born Brockmoor)

1891 Census – High Street, Brockmoor
Elizabetta Hanbury, Head.Wid, 47, Brierley Hill
Lucy Hanbury, Dau.S, 20, Brierley Hill
Harry Hanbury, Son.S, 17, Iron Labourer
Edward Hanbury, Son, 14, Tin Labourer
Sarah Hanbury, Dau, 12, Scholar
John Hanbury, Son, 10, Scholar
Jerimiah Hanbury, Son, 7, Scholar
Sarah Hanbury, Dau, 1
(All others born Brockmoor)

1901 Census – 33 New Town, Brockmoor
Henry Hanbury, Head.S, 26, Puddler in Ironworks
Elizabeth Hanbury, Mother.Wid, 59
Walter Hanbury, Son.S, 31, Puddler in Ironworks
Sarah Hanbury, Dau.S, 23
Jeremiah Hanbury, Son.S, 18, in Ironworks
Sarah J Hanbury, Dau, 11
(All born Brockmoor)

1911 Census – 9, New Town, Brockmoor
Jeremiah Hanbury, Head.S, 27, Furnaceman & Helper, New Town Brockmoor
Elizabeth Hanbury, Mother.Widow, 69, Rocks Hill Brierley Hill
Sarah Jane Hanbury, Neice,S, 21, Brickyard Labourer, High St Brockmoor


DEATH:
John Hanbury
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1888
Age at Death: 51
Registration District: Stourbridge
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 97

John Hanbury who married Elizabeth Shakespeare

1871 Census – Brockmoor, Kingswinford
John Hanbury, Head.UM, 34, Heater at Ironworks
Elizabeth Shakespeare, Boarder.UM, 28, Labourer
Ann Shakespeare, 8, Scholar
Lucy Shakespeare, Dau, 3
Joseph Shakespeare, Son, 1
(All born Kingswinford)

1861 Census – Brockmoor Lays, Kingswinford
John Hanbury, Head.M, 46, Iron Roller
Ann Hanbury, Wife, 60
John Hanbury, Son.UM 24, Iron Furnaceman, Hyde, Staffs
Walter Hanbury, Son.UM, 21, Labourer
Joseph Hanbury, Son.UM, 19, Labourer
Walter H Hanbury, Grandson, 4
Eliza Jonas, Servant.UM, 15, Domestic Servant
(All others born Kingswinford)

1851 Census – Lays Road, Brockmoor, Kingswinford
John Hanbury, Head.M, 36, Sheet Iron Roller
Ann Hanbury, Wife, 44
William Hanbury, Son, 16, Shearer of Iron
Edward Hanbury, Son, 15, Roller of Iron
John Hanbury, Son, 14, Roller of Iron
Jane Hanbury, Dau, 12, Scholar, Kingswinford
Walter Hanbury, Son, 11, Scholar, Kingswinford
Joseph Hanbury, Son, 9, Scholar, Kingswinford
Alfred Sarberville/Tuberville, Visitor, 5
(All others born Kinfare, Staffs)

1841 Census – Lays Works, Kingswinford
John Hanbury, 25, Sheet Iron Roller
Ann Hanbury, 35
William Hanbury, 6
Edward Hanbury, 5
John Hanbury, 4
Jane Hanbury, 3
Walter Hanbury, 1
(All born in County)

Thanks Barb

Ok need to do this carefully and need help please...

So that looks to me like the JOhn on Bcc..............agreed?

I am connecting.....is id deffo Jane not James on census so James needs deleting as son


do we think that it is deffo Elizabeth Shakespeare even though no father on?

got to add kids for John hanbury and Elizabeth but connected for mo here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =333643148

Need Elizabeth on 1861 and

1851. Rocks Hill, Kingswinford
William Shakespeare, head, 36, Miner of coal
Luci, wife, 38,
Elijah, son, 17, Miner of coal
Maria, daur, 15,
Ann, daur, 10,
Elizabeth, daur, 8,
Luci, daur, 5,
Emma, daur, 2
All born kingswinford

1871 Census – Brockmoor, Kingswinford
John Hanbury, Head.UM, 34, Heater at Ironworks
Elizabeth Shakespeare, Boarder.UM, 28, Labourer
Ann Shakespeare, 8, Scholar
Lucy Shakespeare, Dau, 3
Joseph Shakespeare, Son, 1
(All born Kingswinford)

Marriages Mar 1892
HANDBURY Lucy Shakespeare Chesterfield 7b 853
Pearson Benjamin Littleton Chesterfield 7b 853
Simms Mary Chesterfield 7b 853
Skelton George Henry Chesterfield 7b 853
Smalley Herbert Chesterfield 7b 853

sp1 wrote:Should have added:
before she married, Elizabeth Shakespeare had at least three illegitimate children, Ann b 1863, Lucy b 1868, and Joseph b 1870 (all b Brockmoor).
The middle one of these, Lucy, who also used the name Hanbury, married Benjamin Littleton Pearson, in 1892, he was born 1862, son of Joseph Pearson (1841-1889), and Sarah Ann Harris (1841-1929). This Joseph Pearson was the son of David Pearson (1819-1871) and Ann Wood (1820-1843), and David's parents (Joseph Pearson & Phoebe Parrish) are on BCC here:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... son-Family

So the unfortunate Jeremiah is related to me on at least two different lines.

need bapt and marriage and census for pearsons

-need DAvid and Ann wood marriage
Joseh and sarah ann marriage

Northern Lass wrote:Thanks Barb

Ok need to do this carefully and need help please...

So that looks to me like the JOhn on Bcc..............agreed? Agreed

I am connecting.....is id deffo Jane not James on census so James needs deleting as son deffo Jane


do we think that it is deffo Elizabeth Shakespeare even though no father on?

looks good, but not 100% sure, will try and find Ellizabeth on 1861

Thanks Barb...

Ok anyone got all saints?


1840
PEARSON David WOOD Ann Sedgley, All Saints Dudley Register Office 216/001/473

will add to look ups

Name: David Pearson
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Ann Wood
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 10 Feb 1840
Event Place: Sedgley, Stafford, England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M16763-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1040792

sp1 wrote:Should have added:
before she married, Elizabeth Shakespeare had at least three illegitimate children, Ann b 1863, Lucy b 1868, and Joseph b 1870 (all b Brockmoor).
The middle one of these, Lucy, who also used the name Hanbury, married Benjamin Littleton Pearson, in 1892, he was born 1862, son of Joseph Pearson (1841-1889), and Sarah Ann Harris (1841-1929). This Joseph Pearson was the son of David Pearson (1819-1871) and Ann Wood (1820-1843), and David's parents (Joseph Pearson & Phoebe Parrish) are on BCC here:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... son-Family

So the unfortunate Jeremiah is related to me on at least two different lines.

how do we know it is sarah ann Harris
1870
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PEARSON Joseph HARRIS Sarah Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/465


1873
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PEARSON Joseph PARTRIDGE Sarah A Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/030/476