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Hi, I am Penny Horton from NZ researching my fathers’ family, SMITH, from Hagley.
My father Roger Nathaniel SMITH came to NZ in 1926 with his parents Nathaniel ‘Hardy’ and Dorothy, nee BATSTONE.
Prior to this the SMITH family had held tenancy of Treherns Farm, just outside Hagley village for several generations.
Nathaniel Hardys’ parents were Henry (abt 1845 – 1914) and Frances, nee HARDY (abt 1848-1906), publicans of Lyttleton Arms Hotel, Hagley.
Henrys’ parents were Nathaniel (1811-1874) and Penelope, nee BACHE (abt 1813-1871).
Nathaniels’ parents were Nathaniel (abt 1785-1858) and Letitia, nee STEPHENS (1783-1812).
Nathaniel’s father was Nathaniel (1752-1826). We have some records indicating that his mother’s name was Mary, possibly MORRIS but would like to confirm this. We have a copy of this Nathaniel SMITHS’ will, dated May 1823, in which he mentions daughters: Maria, Ann (Parkes), Elizabeth (Pratt), Mary (Moore); and sons: John and Thomas (both deceased), Samuel and Nathaniel. The will does not make any mention of a wife so we assume that she has died prior.
If anyone can help, I am looking for confirmation as to the name of Nathaniels’ wife and would be interested in any other information regarding my family.
Thanks!

so this is roger parents mar


Marriages Mar 1918
Batstone Dorothy Smith London C. 1c 31
Smith Nathaniel H Batstone London C. 1c 31



Births Jun 1919
Smith Roger N Batstone Bromsgrove 6c 269

poss mar


Marriages Mar 1882
Hardy Frances Anne Bromsgrove 6c 435
SMITH Henry Bromsgrove 6c 435

1901; Lyttelton arm hotel, Hagley

Amelia Hardy 75 inn keeper, Gainsborough
Henry Smith 56 son in law, farmer, Pedmore
Frances Smith 53 Halloughton, Nottinghamshire
Catherine Smith 16 Hagley
Dorothy Smith 15 Hagley
May Smith 13 Hagley
Hardy Smith 12 Hagley
Nora Smith 10 Hagley
Margery Smith 7 Hagley
Alfd E Moore 33 visitor Liverpool

Elizabeth Reynolds 20 servant
Clara Partridge 19 servant
Sarah Dingley 18 servant
Frances M Worrall 17 servant
Thos Gregg 19 servant
John Davis 23 servant

1911; Treherns, Hagley, Pedmore, Stourbridge

Nathaniel Hardy Smith 22 farmer, Hagley,
Ann Green 67 houskeeper Birmingham
Winifred Maud 22 cousin, private means, Broome, Worcestershire
Bertha Tandy 18 domestic servant, Belbroughton

1891 Lyttelton arm hotel, Hagley

Amelia Hardy 65 inn keeper, Lincolnshire
Henry Smith 46 farmer, Hagley
Francis A Hardy 42 inn assistant, Nottinghamshire
Francis Smith 8 Hagley
Catherine A Smith 6 Hagley
Dorothy Smith 5 Hagley
May Smith 4 Hagley
Nathanael H Smith 3 Hagley
Nora L Smith 1 Hagley

William Dates 49 servants
John Gothing 17
Elizh Workworth 24
Clara Danis 18
Ann Bowen 22
Emily Wellesbury 15
Edith Brown 17

1851 wood, Halloughton, Nottinghamshire

John Hardy 32 farmer of 220 acres
Amelia Hardy 25
Frances Annie Hardy 3
Fanny Cartledge 26 visitor

Sally Mountney 18 servants
Sally Hickman 13
Samuel Hemp 46
Thomas Robinson 22
George Hopkins 22
William Richardson 19

1871 Worcestershire rd, (tree ***) Pedmore

Nathaniel Smith 60 wid farmer employing 6 men 2 women, Pedmore
William Smith 27 farmer employing 6 men 2 women, Pedmore
Henry Smith 26 clerk, Pedmore
Mary Jane Smith 24 Pedmore
Nathaniel Smith 22 ironmonger, Pedmore
Lydia Foley Smith 14, Pedmore

Mary Bache 40 servants
Catherine Buffcey 20
Matilda Jane Brettel 12

1851 Treherns Farm, Pedmore

Nathaniel Smith 66 farmer pedmore
Nathaniel Smith 38 farmer son pedmore
Penelope Smith 38 Churchill, Worcestershire
William Smith 6 pedmore
Jane Smith 3 pedmore
Nathaniel Smith 1 pedmore
Sarah Morgan 65 visitor stourbridge

Thomas Evers 36 servants
John Tayler 16
Mary Beach 22
Mary Turner 23
Mary Forden 17

1841 Tree home farm ? Pedmore

Nathaniel Smith 50 farmer
Nathaniel Smith 25 ag lab
George Smith 25 ag lab

1860

Nathaniel Smith
Occupation: farmer, Tree Urns
Publication Title: 1860 Post Office Directory
County: Worcestershire
Country: England
Publication Year: 1860

also
edward smith farmer bank house
samuel smith farmer

peterd wrote:1841 Tree home farm ? Pedmore

Nathaniel Smith 50 farmer
Nathaniel Smith 25 ag lab
George Smith 25 ag lab

Anyone got the PR for pedmore

The Prs for Pedmore are held at Dudley Archives http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ ... &cid=-1#-1

edward 1841

Z/31/7/VILLAGE/

J/EDWARD/SMITH/HEAD/MAR/40//FARMER OF 150 ACRES/WOR/PEDMORE/

J/HANNAH/SMITH/W/MAR//35//WOR/PEDMORE/

J/SARAH/SMITH/D/U//7//WOR/PEDMORE/

J/JAMES/SMITH/SON/U/6///WOR/PEDMORE/

J/NATHANIEL/SMITH/SON/U/4///WOR/PEDMORE/

J/EDWARD/SMITH/SON/U/2///WOR/PEDMORE/

J/MAREY ANN/SMITH/D/U//1//WOR/PEDMORE/

J/ELIZA/BILLINGHAM/SERV/U//19/SURVANT/WOR/OLDSWINFORD/

J/CAROLINE/NOCK/SERV/U//14/SURVANT/WOR/PEDMORE/

J/GEORGE/SMITH/SERV/U/40//SURVANT/WOR/HAGLEY/


marey smith poss widow of nathaniel srn brother ?

Z/11/8/VILLAGE/

J/MAREY/SMITH/HEAD/WIDOW//65/FARMER 200 ACRES/OXF/OXFORD/

J/SAMUEL/SMITH/SON/U/30//FARMER/WOR/PEDMORE/

J/MARIANN/SMITH/D/U//25//WOR/PEDMORE/

J/METILDA/SMITH/D/U//23//WOR/PEDMORE/

J/WILLIAM/HOOMANS/SERV/U/80//SURVANT/WOR/HAMPTON LEDE?/

J/MAREY/NOCK/SERV/U//21/SURVANT/WOR/PEDMORE/

J/MAREY ANN/HARRIS/SERV/U//20/SURVANT/WOR/CRADLEY/




Z/04/9/TREARNS FARM/

J/NATHANIEL/SMITH/HEAD/WIDOWER/66//FARMER OF 400 ACERS 8 LABOURERS/WOR/PEDMORE/

J/NATHANIEL/SMITH/SON/MAR/38//FARMER SON/WOR/PEDMORE/

J/PENELOPE/SMITH/SONS WIFE/MAR//38/DOM/WOR/CHURCHILL/

J/WILLIAM/SMITH/GRANDSON/U/6///WOR/PEDMORE/

J/JANE/SMITH/GRANDDAU/U//3//WOR/PEDMORE/

J/NATHANIEL/SMITH/GRANDSON/U/1///WOR/PEDMORE/

J/SARAH/MORGAN/VISITOR/W//63//WOR/STOURBRIDGE/

J/THOMAS/EVERS//WIDOWER/36//FARM SURVANT/WOR/HAGLEY/

J/JOHN/TAYLER/SERV//16//FARM SURVANT/WOR/CLENT/

J/MAREY/BEACH/SERV/U//22/NURSE/WOR/KIDDERMINSTER/

J/MAREY/TURNER/SERV/U//23/HOUSE SURVANT/WOR/ELMBRIDGE/

J/MAREY/JORDAN/SERV/U//17/HOUSE SURVANT/WOR/PEDMORE/



this one related ?

Z/11/29/VILLAGE/

J/WILLIAM/SMITH/HEAD/MAR/53//NAILMAKER/STS/TIPTON/

J/MARY/SMITH/W/MAR//48//WOR/CRADLEY/

J/CARELIN/SMITH/D///8//WOR/PEDMOR/

J/HENREY/HATTON/LODGER/U/30//LABOURER/WOR/PEDMORE/


another

Z/11/49/

J/GEORGE/SMITH/HEAD/MAR/26//PUDLER/WOR/BELLBROUGHTON/

J/MARY/SMITH/W/MAR//30//WOR/HAGLEY/

J/HENRY/SMITH/SON//7///WOR/HAGLEY/

J/ELIZEBETH/SMITH/D///5//WOR/HAGLEY/

J/EDWARD/SMITH/SON//.167///WOR/PEDMORE/

J/GEORGE/SMITH/SON//3///

Z/04/9/TREARNS FARM/

J/NATHANIEL/SMITH/HEAD/WIDOWER/66//FARMER OF 400 ACERS 8 LABOURERS/WOR/PEDMORE/

J/NATHANIEL/SMITH/SON/MAR/38//FARMER SON/WOR/PEDMORE/

J/PENELOPE/SMITH/SONS WIFE/MAR//38/DOM/WOR/CHURCHILL/

J/WILLIAM/SMITH/GRANDSON/U/6///WOR/PEDMORE/

J/JANE/SMITH/GRANDDAU/U//3//WOR/PEDMORE/

J/NATHANIEL/SMITH/GRANDSON/U/1///WOR/PEDMORE/

J/SARAH/MORGAN/VISITOR/W//63//WOR/STOURBRIDGE/

J/THOMAS/EVERS//WIDOWER/36//FARM SURVANT/WOR/HAGLEY/

J/JOHN/TAYLER/SERV//16//FARM SURVANT/WOR/CLENT/

J/MAREY/BEACH/SERV/U//22/NURSE/WOR/KIDDERMINSTER/

J/MAREY/TURNER/SERV/U//23/HOUSE SURVANT/WOR/ELMBRIDGE/

J/MAREY/JORDAN/SERV/U//17/HOUSE SURVANT/WOR/PEDMORE/

poss

Name Nathaniel Smith
Christening Date19 May 1782 PEDMORE,WORCESTER,ENGLAND

Father's Name Nathaniel Smith
Mother's Name Susanna

Indexing Project (Batch) NumberP01967-1
System OriginEngland-ODM
GS Film number352028
Reference ID