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Looking for information for 97-year-old mother (and myself, husband and children) about the family my mother has never known because her own mother (Nellie Ashmore) died in 1916, 6 months after the birth of my mother (then Mary Ellen Davies) in January 1916, and the Ashmore family appears to have 'surrendered' the child Mary Ellen/Nellie to the family of my grandfather Bertie Davies. I have little to go on, just a death certificate for my grandmother Nellie Davies, dated 1916, and a list of the names and ages of the Ashmore family living at '16 Delph' at the time of the 1901 census: parents John Ashmore (age 39) and Bella Ashmore (birth name Isabella; age 38), sons John Ashmore (age 15) , Thomas Ashmore (age 13), William Ashmore (age 11), Albert Ashmore (age 9), and daughters Nellie Ashmore (my grandmother, age 7), Phoebe Jane Ashmore (age 5) and Annie May Ashmore (age 8 months). It seems likely from web research that Bella Ashmore died in Stourbridge in 1914; it is possible, but by no means certain, that her maiden name was Baker (Isabella Baker, born in 1862, Kingswinford). I believe the Ashmore siblings (John, Thomas, William, Albert, Phoebe and Annie) all married in Stourbridge, between ?1911 and 1926, but I have no information about their wives or families. Any assistance would be most welcome.

moreash wrote:Looking for information for 97-year-old mother (and myself, husband and children) about the family my mother has never known

because her own mother (Nellie Ashmore) died in 1916, 6 months after the birth of my mother (then Mary Ellen Davies) in January 1916,

and the Ashmore family appears to have 'surrendered' the child Mary Ellen/Nellie to the family of my grandfather Bertie Davies.

I have little to go on, just a death certificate for my grandmother Nellie Davies, dated 1916,

and a list of the names and ages of the Ashmore family living at

1901 census: 16 Delph'
John Ashmore (age 39)
Bella Ashmore (birth name Isabella; age 38),
John Ashmore (age 15) ,
Thomas Ashmore (age 13),
William Ashmore (age 11),
Albert Ashmore (age 9),
Nellie Ashmore (my grandmother, age 7)
Phoebe Jane Ashmore (age 5)
Annie May Ashmore (age 8 months).

It seems likely from web research that Bella Ashmore died in Stourbridge in 1914;
it is possible, but by no means certain, that her maiden name was Baker (Isabella Baker, born in 1862, Kingswinford).

I believe the Ashmore siblings (John, Thomas, William, Albert, Phoebe and Annie) all married in Stourbridge, between ?1911 and 1926, but I have no information about their wives or families. Any assistance would be most welcome.

just broke this down slightly so its easier for me to read



Births Mar 1916
Davies Mary E Ashmore Stourbridge 6c 104


this here parents marriage


Marriages Sep 1915
Ashmore Mary E Davies Stourbridge 6c 108
Davies Albert Ashmore Stourbridge 6c108

1891: King William st, Amblecote

John Ashmore 26 stoker at glass works ?
Isabella Ashmore 27 Amblecote
John Ashmore 5
Thomas Ashmore 3
Willie Ashmore 1 Amblecote
rest bieirley hill

poss mar could do with this looking up anyone got it ?

ASHMORE John BAKER Isabella 1884 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/038/450

1911; 67 Delph, Brierley Hill, Staffs

John Ashmore 45 Labourer (gas company) quarry bank
Isabbelle Ashmore 46 (Married 25 years, 7 born, 7 living) Pensett
William Ashmore 21 miner - horse driver underground (coal mine) Dennis park ?
Albert Ashmore 18 clay loader (clay mine) Dennis park ?
Ellen Ashmore 15 general servant Delph
Phoebe Ashmore 14 Delph
Annie Ashmore 10 Delph

Thank you for incredibly rapid response and for pushing back to 1891 census and marriage of John Ashmore and Isabella Baker. This is a great start to my postings on the genealogy forum, just hope someone out there might be able to identfuy some Ashmores descended from the siblings who lived in Delph in 1901 .... My mother (97, suffering from severe short-term memory loss) has just remembered an Uncle Billy from Brierley Hill (must be the William who was 11 in 1901), with two sons, Alfred and ?Billy); she can also recall visits to her aunts Phoebe and Annie when she herself was a child.

I will start it off on Bcc will help us to follow it

do you have this marriage at all?

Marriages Sep 1915
Ashmore Mary E Davies Stourbridge 6c 108
Davies Albert Ashmore Stourbridge 6c108

do we have a dob for Nellie? /Mary Ellen

Do you have the birth certif

is this her
1894
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
ASHMORE Nellie Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/155/264


but marries as Mary Ellen
and is Ellen on census

poss

1881; whitymore, Amblecote

William Ashmore 62 farm labourer Shenstone
Mary Ashmore 47 Bewdley Frm
John Ashmore 17 farm labourer Cradley, Worcestershire
Susan Ashmore 13 Stourbridge,


next door

1881; whitymore, Amblecote

William Davies 66 Brickyard Labourer, Wolverley
Mary Ann Davies 26 Housekeeper Whitymore
Harriet Webb 9 g daug Brierley Hill,


poss susan marriage into a davies family is this the same one as albert who married mary ellen ?


ASHMORE Susan DAVIES Eli 1883 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/037/494

Do you have the death certif info?

1916
DAVIES Nellie Stourbridge (STO) Dudley Register Office STO/075/379

and on free bmd
Deaths Sep 1916
Davies Nellie 21 Stourbridge 6c 17

1911; Brettell Lane, Amblecote, Stourbridge

Eli Davies 56 Iron Worker Puddler
Susan Davies 45 ( married 28 years, 12 born, 7 living, 5 died)
Sarah Jane Davies 24 (married 2 years None)
Eli Davies 20 labourer
William Davies 19 labourer
Mary Ann Davies 18
Joe Davies 15
Lizzie Davies 10
Percy Davies 17 (poss 7)
all born Stourbridge,

and the Ashmore family appears to have 'surrendered' the child Mary Ellen/Nellie to the family of my grandfather Bertie Davies

is bertie, albert father proper name ? any census on albert ?

as if bertie and eli are related this might be the reason why mary ellen was given over as eli wife was an ashmore and able to keep an eye on her ?

I think we have Isabella Baker on Bcc already
connects to Maggie aka antie em I think on this site...

this will tell us

ASHMORE John BAKER Isabella 1884 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/038/450

moreash posted it

1901 census: 16 Delph'
John Ashmore (age 39)
Bella Ashmore (birth name Isabella; age 38),
John Ashmore (age 15) ,
Thomas Ashmore (age 13),
William Ashmore (age 11),
Albert Ashmore (age 9),
Nellie Ashmore (my grandmother, age 7)
Phoebe Jane Ashmore (age 5)
Annie May Ashmore (age 8 months).

There is actually more info on the davies family than on the Ashmores, the Davies research having been carried out by a Davies relative .... Albert davies's father was William Davies, and he married Mary-Ann Carpenter in Stourbridge in 1889. William davies's father was Joseph davies (born 1840), he married Margaret ?. Joseph's father was Eli Davies, who married Esther Stevens in Dudley at St Thomas on 27.08.1834. They too lived in Brettell Lane .... So far, I have not seen a 'Susan' in the information I have ....

Just to add in another name, my grandfather Albert davies remarried in 1921, to one Florriw Pearson .....