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Following a marriage lookup from Antie Em .... Thankyou

I have been adding in this Hale family ..

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =722340225

I found this family in 1851 ...

1851. Deepfields? Sedgley
Major Hale,49,head,married,labourer
Ann,41,wife
James,19,son,labourer
Sergent,16,son,labourer
Betsy,14,daughter
Henry,11,son,labourer
Sarah,8,daughter
Mary Ann,4,daughter
Henry Richmond,13,son-in-law?,miner
All born Sedgley

added to BCC here ..
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =546568440

There is a marriage for a Major Hale in 1842

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1842
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HALE Major RICHMOND Hannah Sedgley, All Saints Dudley Register Office 216/002/360

I will post this marriage for lookup.

Is Hannah Richmond the wife in 1851? ... I know that Anns and Hannahs are sometimes 'one and the same'

Now I am in a bit of a muddle over who the kids belong to on that 1851 census.
I guess Henry Richmond should really be stepson?
Sarah and Mary Ann are maybe daughters of Major and Hannah?
.... and the older children from a previous marriage for Major?

Just need a a bit of help sorting this one out .... a bit out of practice!
Thankyou
Expat

I think this is marriage for Sargent ... will post for lookup too

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1857
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HALE Sargant GABRIEL Mary A Sedgley, All Saints Dudley Register Office 216/010/62

Expat

1841. Ruiton ?, Sedgley, Staffordshire
Major Hale,35,lab.
James Hale,10
Sergant Hale,7
Henry Hale,3
Elizabeth Hale,5

Expat

Found this on Ancestry ... under England and Wales marriages 1538-1940
Name: Major Hale
Gender: Male
Father's Name: James Hale
Spouse's Name: Hannah Richmond
Spouse's Father's Name: William Richmond
Marriage Date: 12 Apr 1842
Marriage Place: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England

and for the son Sargant

Name: Sargant Hale
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1835
Age: 22
Father's Name: Major Hale
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Gabriel
Spouse's Age: 20
Spouse's Father's Name: Morris Gabriel
Marriage Date: 26 Nov 1857
Marriage Place: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England

Am i right in thinking Major is a Christian name not Military connected ??.....Major is quite common in Black Country.

mikleed wrote:Am i right in thinking Major is a Christian name not Military connected ??.....Major is quite common in Black Country.

Looks like Christian name to me .... the father is Major and the son is Sergent
Expat

1911. 67 Broad Street, Wallbrook, Coseley, Bilston
Sergant Hale,75,head,widower,children born alive 'one' still living 'one', born Ruiton Gornal,Staffordshire
Sam Hale,44,son,single,coal miner(hewer), born Wallbrook

Bit puzzled by no. of children there??

Expat

It was quite common in the Black Country to call sons Major, Captain and Sergeant. I'm sure there was another thread on this somewhere.

expat66 wrote:West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1857
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HALE Sargant GABRIEL Mary A Sedgley, All Saints Dudley Register Office 216/010/62. Expat

Sargant Hale.
groom's birth date: 1835.
groom's age: 22.
bride's name: Mary Ann Gabriel.
bride's birth date: 1837.
bride's age: 20.
marriage date: 1857. (26 Nov)
marriage place: Sedgley, Staffford.
groom's father's name: Major Hale.
bride's father's name: Morris Gabriel.
indexing project (batch) number: M16763-3.
system origin: England-VR.
source film number: 1040793.
reference number: 2:39RXPBM.

Missing 1901 census for Sergat Hale.

Looks like Hale on image.

1901. Broad St, Sedley.
Sergeant Holl 66. Bricklayers labourer. Sedgley.
Mary Ann Holl 64. Sedgley.
Samuel Holl 34. Son. Coal miner pikeman. Sedgley.

Jimmy wrote:Sargant Hale.
groom's birth date: 1835.
groom's age: 22.
bride's name: Mary Ann Gabriel.
bride's birth date: 1837.
bride's age: 20.
marriage date: 1857. (26 Nov)
marriage place: Sedgley, Staffford.
groom's father's name: Major Hale.
bride's father's name: Morris Gabriel.
indexing project (batch) number: M16763-3.
system origin: England-VR.
source film number: 1040793.
reference number: 2:39RXPBM.

Thanks Jimmy

Only Morris Gabriel I can find is this one ..... but I think he is too young to be Mary Ann's father?

1891. 5,Broad Street,Sedgley,Staffs.
Morris Gabriel,62,head,married,coal miner, born Momble Square,Coseley
Ann,65,wife, born Deepfields,Staffs.
Stephen,27,son, single,filecutter, born Wallbrook,Staffs.
William,24,son,single,moulder, born Wallbrook,Staffs.

Expat

Morris Gabriel again

1861. High St ? Sedgley
Morris Gabriel,31,head,married, coalminer
Ann,34,wife
Joseph,8,son
Thomas,6,son
Richard Webb,3,boarder
All born Sedgley

1871. Wallbrook St, Sedgley
Morris Gabriel,40,head,married, coal miner
Ann,44,wife
Joseph,17,son,unmarried, coal miner
Thomas,16,son,unmarried, coal miner
Stephen,7,son
William,6,son
All born Sedgley

Expat

Thanks AntieEm

All Saints, Sedgley : 12 Apr 1842
Major Hale, OFA, Wid, Labourer, of Gornal, Father James Hale, Labourer
Hannah Richmond, Wid, of Gornal, Father William (.......), Miller
Wit : Richard Bayliss and Lydia Dalloway

All Saints, Sedgley : 26 Nov 1857
Sargent Hale, 22, B, Bricklayer, of Can Lane, Father Major Hale, Labourer
Mary Ann Gabriel, 20, S, of Can Lane, Father Morris Gabriel, Miner
Wit : Thomas Fieldhouse and ......? Scarlett?

Expat

expat66 wrote:Thanks AntieEm

All Saints, Sedgley : 12 Apr 1842
Major Hale, OFA, Wid, Labourer, of Gornal, Father James Hale, Labourer
Hannah Richmond, Wid, of Gornal, Father William (.......), Miller
Wit : Richard Bayliss and Lydia Dalloway

All Saints, Sedgley : 26 Nov 1857
Sargent Hale, 22, B, Bricklayer, of Can Lane, Father Major Hale, Labourer
Mary Ann Gabriel, 20, S, of Can Lane, Father Morris Gabriel, Miner
Wit : Thomas Fieldhouse and ......? Scarlett?

Expat

Looked up today

12 Apr 1842 All Saints Sedgley
Major HALE F W Labourer Gornal Father James Hale Labourer
Hannah RICHMOND F S Gornal Father William Richmond Occup- Miller
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Richard Bayliss / Lydia Dalloway X

I have added as much as I can to BCC
OK to archive
Thankyou
Expat