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http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =746824788

Can anyone with the transcripts pls look to see if there is a possible burial
at Halesowen for a male Coley b abt 1802/1806 aged 20-40

and a marriage for a Coley to a Mary ???
1817 - 1837

also any more info on these marriages pls

1.marriage: 07 Nov 1802 Old Swinford,"‹Worcester,"‹England
spouse: Sarah Hill

2.marriage: 28 Jul 1806 Clent,"‹ Worcester,"‹ England
spouse: Sarah Page Hubball
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =526436953

-William as a lodger in Richards house not down as father
-Richard putting father as William Coley not William Smith
-Bapt for Richard as a William and Mary Smith
-on Wm Smiths death ...."Sarah Coley daughter in law in attendance."
-Wm Smiths father is a Richard

-also Mary dies and is regis as Mary Coley not Mary Smith ...but in 1841 Wm Smith is with Richard Coley next door to Elizabeth Smith
the informant on Marys death certif

from link....
http://rhhs.org.uk/graves/coley-smiths.html
"One such informant was his grandson, Harry Moore, who died in 1974 at the age of eighty.
He offered an explanation for the mystery surrounding the name.
According to Mr. Moore, Richard"™s father had died and his mother remarried before Richard was born.
His father was named Coley and his stepfather was named Smith.
It was considered that Richard should carry both names.
No matter what name Richard started life with, he bore the double name, or had it bestowed upon him when he died.
Will Hackett, who has lived in Hasbury for all his ninety years, remembers Richard as "˜Dick Smith"™.
He described Richard as being the favourite nephew of Thomas Coley, the owner of a prosperous "˜button manufactory"™ in Love Lane, Hasbury. Thomas Coley is reputed to have advanced the money to start the nailmaking business which Richard carried on throughout his adult life.
Will Hackett also recounted how Richard took a Jack Ingram as a business partner. Ingram married Leah Crumpton, the sister of Richard"™s wife."

I have linked for moment Mary Unknown to this unknown Coley
based on grandsons info on the link by Norman Jones

But I think Wm Smith is father to Richard Coley Smith
and that Mary Unknown married a Coley

groom's name: John Coley
bride's name: Mary Crumpton
marriage date: 25 Dec 1833
marriage place: Old Swinford,Worcester,England
indexing project (batch) number: M04027-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 527938, 527939, 527940, 527942, 527943, 533992, 533993, 533994, 533995, 533996

this one is here..
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =935415913

and links to Unknown Coley...via
Edward Coley brother to Joseph Coley
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =909953005

Edward has John Coley who marries Mary Crumpton
and
Joseph has this lot
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =168299549
includes Thomas Coley button maker uncle of Richard Coley Smith

Mary Crumpton is sister to Wm Crumpton...Wm is father of Sarah Crumpton that marries Richard Coley Smith
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =974482146

not sure if it proves anything though

What about this..
groom's name: Joseph Coley
bride's name: Maria Rudge
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 10 Jun 1821
marriage place: Halesowen,Worcester,England

indexing project (batch) number: M01376-1
system origin: England-ODM

could Betty Rudge be sister to Mary/Maria?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =336810230

Could Betty be mother to Mary Unknown

Betty is older than Wm Hackett
is she on that 1813 a wid prev married to a Thomas Rudge?

So Wm Smith would be living with his "mother in law"on 1851

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =475167085
name: Maria Rudge
baptism/christening date: 03 Mar 1799
baptism/christening place: HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
father's name: Thomas Rudge
mother's name: Betty
indexing project (batch) number: C01376-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 886632, 886633, 886634
reference number:

Northern Lass wrote:What about this..
groom's name: Joseph Coley
bride's name: Maria Rudge
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 10 Jun 1821
marriage place: Halesowen,Worcester,England

WOR. Halesowen. St Johns. 218. 652.
10 Jun 1821.
Joseph COLEY. Otp. Bachelor.
Maria RUDGE. Otp. Spinster.

Witnesses.
Thomas COLEY Sarah HILL

Thanks Jimmy

any deaths for a Joseph Coley pre 1837

the names Thomas Coley are there could be that Thomas Coley button maker



and I think Joseph Coley snr marries a Sarah Hill
.marriage: 07 Nov 1802 Old Swinford,"‹Worcester,"‹England
spouse: Sarah Hill
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =709325127

could be a cousin sarah hill niece to Sarah HIll

Northern Lass wrote:and a marriage for a Coley to a Mary ???.1817 - 1837.

WOR. Halesowen. St Johns. unk1.
3 Jun 1830.
Henry COLEY. Otp. Bachelor.
Mary ANN READ. Otp. Spinster.

Witnesses.
Samuel HADLEY. Lucy HADLEY.

Thomas Coley.
bride's name: Mary Davies.
marriage date: 21 May 1820.
marriage place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester.
indexing project (batch) number: M04014-4.
system origin: England-ODM.
source film number: 378762, 378763, 378764, 378765, 378766, 378767, 378768, 378769, 378770.

Joseph Coley.
bride's name: Mary Ann Butler.
marriage date: 13 Oct 1831.
marriage place: Clent, Worcester.
indexing project (batch) number: M03517-3.
system origin: England-ODM.
source film number: 1042161.

Timothy Coley.
bride's name: Mary Whitmore.
marriage date: 19 Jan 1829.
marriage place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester.
indexing project (batch) number: M04014-4.
system origin: England-ODM.
source film number: 378762, 378763, 378764, 378765, 378766, 378767, 378768, 378769, 378770.

Josiah Coley.
bride's name: Mary Jones.
marriage date: 29 Apr 1833.
marriage place: Clent, Worcester.
indexing project (batch) number: M03517-3.
system origin: England-ODM.
source film number: 1042161.

We have the Josiah and Mary Jones one on Bcc...Josiah is bro to Thomas Coley

There is that Joseph Coley to Maria Rudge
but Betty/Elizabeth Rudge is spinster on marriage to Wm Hackett...so Betty not prev married.

so dunno ....

any thoughts?

Linell you about?

Some good possibles there Jan. Will have a search later when I get on my PC. Trouble is some people say they were married when they weren't others were illegitimate & others chaged their names when they felt the need. Will see what I can find. Linell.

Thanks Linell.

I think myself that Richard Coley Smith is son of Wm Smith and Mary Unknown.
Looks like she may have been married previously to a Coley and possibly from that family of Joseph the farmer and wife Sarah.

The only thing that bugs me is why isnt William Smith informant on that death certif.
Why is she mary Coley even if they werent married but living as man and wife she should be Mary Smith on certif.

And that Maria Rudge marriage is odd.....Thomas Coley as witness.

too be honest I have tied myself in knots with it now

The only burial for a Mr Coley before 1837 was a Benjamin from Hasbury 15.1.1834 aged 37, Mary lived in the Borough, but suppose if she was Married to Benjamin she may have moved, not far from Hasbury to the Borough a couple of hundred yards.

Also found these Coley Illey burials, not checked yet to see if there are any baps for them:-

15.6.1825 Arthur Coley Illey Infant
1.8.1825 George Coley Illey Infant
13.12.1825 David Coley Infant (this one was Hayley Green but the easier to trace christian name it may help)
13.7.1828 Thomas Coley Illey 22

And 24.12.1837 Mary Coley Borough 34

Some Coley Marriages all Halesowen:-

10.6.1821 Joseph Coley X otp Bach and Maria Rudge X otp Sp - Witnesses Thomas Coley and Sarah Hill by Banns.
26.1.1823 Samuel Hadley X otp Bach and Lucy Coley X otp Sp - Witnesses Joseph and Maria Coley (Lucy probable sister)
18.10.1824 John Coley X otp Bach and Eleanor Taplin otp Sp - Witnesses Thomas and Sarah Coley. (John brother to Thomas) This Thomas must have been a generation later than the one who was buried in 1828.

Will check IGI. Linell.

Northern Lass wrote:Thanks Linell.

I think myself that Richard Coley Smith is son of Wm Smith and Mary Unknown.
Looks like she may have been married previously to a Coley and possibly from that family of Joseph the farmer and wife Sarah.

The only thing that bugs me is why isnt William Smith informant on that death certif.
Why is she mary Coley even if they werent married but living as man and wife she should be Mary Smith on certif.

And that Maria Rudge marriage is odd.....Thomas Coley as witness.

too be honest I have tied myself in knots with it now

HI Jan, I always wondered if Wm Smith was previously Married and that is why he and Mary didn't marry, seems inconceivable that Mary's death was registered as Coley if she was Smith. But then Mary could also be a widow, one of these where the husband just disappears somewhere, you know what I mean!!

The Rudge connection is good, see I found a Marriage for Joseph Coley and Maria Rudge, think you may already have that.

As for Wm Smith not being informant, think that was quite common, spouse at bedside, a relative or neighbour ran off to register the death. I have a lot like that.

Ok will see what the IGI has...........

Ok with you on the informant bit sounds reasonable

But like you that Rudge connection you mentioned ages ago I think there is something there.
Why would William Smith be with a William Hackett and Betty Hackett nee Rudge in 1851 and there in 1841 (as well as with his mother in 1841)
Then Richard Coley Smith with Wm Hacketts son Thomas Hackett and wife Phebe in 1851.

got to be some connection to Rudge.
That marriage looks good for names of wits Thomas Coley ....button maker poss and a sarah Hill.

is there a burial for a Joseph Coley that would fit?

We can take the burial of David out of the equation a different family:-
David Coley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 22 May 1825
baptism/christening place: HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date: 13 Dec 1825
name note:
race:
father's name: James Coley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Laetitia
mother's birthplace:

Two possibles for Thomas buried 1828 aged 22

Thomas Coley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 05 Aug 1804
baptism/christening place: HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Josiah Coley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Hannah

Thomas Coley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 28 Sep 1806
baptism/christening place: HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Edward Coley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary