* Archive in 24 hrs TBC* Searching for Robert John White

[Aussie_Brit]

Is this where I ask for advice?
My maternal grandparents separated when my mother was very small, around 1930 or so and my grandmother remarried. My mother found her dad when she was married, which would have been in the late 1940's.
She heard that he had died probably a few years after that, perhaps early 1950's. My mum tried desperately to find information regarding his death and even wrote to the Register Office in Lewisham (where she believed he had lived) for a death certificate but they wrote back saying they didn't have any information on him.
So....my question is, if I NOW want to obtain a death certificate, how do I do that? Who do I write to and where?
Is there anywhere I can lookup online? I don't actually need the certificate, just information. I have found brick walls on a few of my relatives like this.
Anyhow, his name is Robert John White, he was born 20th July 1901 in Southend, Essex.
I also can't find my Great Grandfather either, or any mention of his family. His name is Frederick Haggarty (surname spelling is correct) married to Beatrice Minnie Haggarty (nee Millett), I believe he was born in Islington.
Anyhow, I would be most grateful for any advice given.
Thanks, Brenda

[Northern Lass]

Hi Aussie brit just moved this to general discussion and we can all dive in and help ya!

[Northern Lass]

It might have to be going thru the complete indexes on ancestry from 1940s onwards
a pain but does work

Is this frederick
info from free bmd a really useful site..

Births Sep 1886
Haggarty Frederick Islington 1b 228

and this is his marriage

Marriages Dec 1906
HAGGARTY Frederick Edmonton 3a 948
Le Duc Emmeline Euphrosyne Edmonton 3a 948
MILLETT Beatrice Minnie Edmonton 3a 948
THODAY David Edmonton 3a 948

Edmonton spans the boundaries of the counties of Essex, Hertfordshire and Middlesex

You got the marriage for this couple?
or Frederick on the census?
Do you know his father from the marr cert?
or are you ok with that?

So what do you need on Frederick?

[Northern Lass]

Some births...may be yours the area looks good..

Births Dec 1908
Haggarty Beatrice R A Edmonton 3a 510

Births Dec 1910
HAGGARTY Eileen Edmonton 3a 528b


but think another couple are also in the area around that time

Births Mar 1915
HAGARTY Evelyn G (mothers name=Hagger) Edmonton 3a 933

found this marriage for a Hagger....
Marriages Mar 1902
Hagger Frederick Chelmsford 4a 733
Hagger Kate Chelmsford 4a 733
Simpson Elizabeth Chelmsford 4a 733
Smith Walter Chelmsford 4a 733

[peterd]

have you got robert birth cert ?

here the registration

Births Sep 1901
White Robert John Rochford 4a 717

[Aussie_Brit]

It might have to be going thru the complete indexes on ancestry from 1940s onwards
a pain but does work

Is this frederick
info from free bmd a really useful site..

Births Sep 1886
Haggarty Frederick Islington 1b 228

and this is his marriage

Marriages Dec 1906
HAGGARTY Frederick Edmonton 3a 948
Le Duc Emmeline Euphrosyne Edmonton 3a 948
MILLETT Beatrice Minnie Edmonton 3a 948
THODAY David Edmonton 3a 948

Edmonton spans the boundaries of the counties of Essex, Hertfordshire and Middlesex

You got the marriage for this couple?
or Frederick on the census?
Do you know his father from the marr cert?
or are you ok with that?

So what do you need on Frederick?

Thanks Northern Lass, yes, the Frederick is my G-Grandfather. I knew his wife was Beatrice Minnie, I have that and I have his birth details 6th July 1886. I also have Beatrice's parents details.
But I couldn't find either of them on the census. I have no death details either. Fred's dad was apparently Daniel Haggarty but I have no other details than that. I don't know Daniel's wife's name, dates & places of birth. Great Grandad always said he was Irish but apparently that wasn't true *shrug* maybe his dad was?

Now the births you found in the next post:
ie: Births Dec 1908
Haggarty Beatrice R A Edmonton 3a 510 - this is my nanna, she died in September 1971.

Births Dec 1910
HAGGARTY Eileen Edmonton 3a 528b - now this lady would have to have been my mum's aunt "Lal", I never knew her and only knew her by the nickname so this information is new for me, thank you very much.
According to my aunt, there was also a brother, Frederick, but he died young *another shrug*

With Robert White, he was mum's dad, I have a birth certificate and their marriage certificate. I have tried to find death details on him but to date I haven't been able to find anything. As I said, my mum even wrote to the Registrations and they had no information so, is there somewhere else that keeps records like that?
Thanks heaps
Brenda

[Northern Lass]

I think it depends where the death was registered....and it could have been any registration district.
So you could have applied to one and it could be sitting in the one in the next county!

You could try the GRO which covers all the counties but I am not sure what sort of search facility they offer and I suppose they charge
worth asking them.

If I were you I would start with the year you know and work thru the complete death indexes on say ancestry and find one that fits

[mallosa]

Hi Brenda, I have searched the complete indexes 1945 - 1960 inclusive and these are what I've found:

1947 Qtr 4
Robert J White Age 57 Edmonton 5e 342
1948 Qtr 1
Robert J White Age 47 Leeds 2c 255
1951 Qtr 1
Robert J White Age 48 Dartford 5b 775
1951 Qtr 3
Robert White Age 50 Gateshead 1a 612
1958 Qtr 1
Robert J White Age 59 Romford 5a 565
1960 Qtr 2
Robert R J White Age 60 Bermondsey 5c 123

[Northern Lass]

and here they are on the 1891 census

1891
101 Campbell Rd Upper Holloway Islington London
Daniel Haggerty 33 Bricklayer b Islington
Rose Haggerty 29 b Islington
Sydney Haggerty 13 b Highgate
Fred Haggerty 5 b Islington
Tom Haggerty 2 b Islington

need a marriage now for Daniel and Rose

[mallosa]

Could this be it?
Marriages Dec 1879
GRACE Elizabeth Mariann J Islington 1b 523
HAGGERTY Daniel Islington 1b 523
Hill Thomas Marshall Islington 1b 523
TOOLEY Rosa Islington 1b 523

1881: 4 Park End, Bromley, Kent
Daniel Haggerty 21 Head M Bricklayer b.London
Rosina Haggerty 20 Wife M b.London
Sidney D. Haggerty 1 Son b.London

[Aussie_Brit]

Dear Mallosa and Northern Lass - you are truly remarkable and wonderful people and I thank you from the bottom of my heart!!
The 1881 & 1891 census would definately be my grands...thank you XXXXX
Rosina! I wondered where this came from, my nan (Fred's daughter) was Beatrice Rosina (Beatrice after her mum). My mum was Rosina Beatrice, I am Brenda Rosina and my grand-daughter is Jessica Rosina.
I never knew about Sidney or Tom, I thought Fred's brother was Joe, could have been a nickname I spose?
Daniel was a bricklayer - yes! I got this information from my cousin in UK who also researched. Fred was his apprentice for a while, this was documented on one of the certificates I have....phew! Wonderful.
Not too sure if the marriage is correct though, perhaps the year but I don't know how Rosa became Rosina? Although this would have made Daniel only 19 at the time.

Robert - the only 2 which could fit as far as age goes would be the 1948 or the 1951 deaths. I found a piece of paper amongst my "box of goodies" which says he was alive in 1947 - 1948. My mum went to see him when my oldest brother was a baby and he was born in 1947 so I think we can rule that one out.
I've "Googled" Gateshead - what would he be doing there? Although his ancestors once were living in South Shields. On my piece of paper I have "Orpington, Kent" - I'm not sure about the spelling because my mum's family (one of them would have written this) were not good at spelling..LOL
My nan remarried in 1953. This is something else which is new to me...hmmm, the things we reveal ay? So Nan and my mum's stepfather would have "lived in sin" until she was widowed. Wow and she had another 5 children in that time too - tut! tut! Naughty girl LOL.
So he would have died somewhere after July 1947 and 1953.
Unfortunately, the name Robert John White is so common it's hard to find the right one!
I have some old photographs of these people, can I post them somewhere?

[mallosa]

It's nice to know we've been able to help a little Brenda
Lets hope we can find even more info on anything else you need to know?

Sending you a pm regarding your photo's

Mally

[Aussie_Brit]

I haven't gotten around to posting pics yet. I've been busy putting all my findings into a scrapbook - it looks quite good too if I say so myself LOL.

[mallosa]

No problem Brenda, just give me the wink when you're ready, o'k?

[grangers14]

Is this completed for now? Will archive in 24 hrs if nothing else to add but can be brought back if and when needed.
Jo