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I'm sorry to say this, as I normally wouldn't admit this! But I am afraid that Johm Prescott qualifies for inclusion on BCC as he had ancestors from Oldbury/ Halesowen. This is via the Parrish family. If you have Parrish ancestors in the Brierley Hill area look away now, as the chances are you have a connection........

I was prompted by the programme recently repeated on TV (the one sponsored by 'findmypast') which additionally alleged that he is a descendant of an incestuous relationship among his Parrish ancestors - it gets worse ......

I will post some more tonight (I am working nights) - unless, of course, someone tells me to stop........!!!!

God I hope he is not connected to me I have Parish's from Cradley, bit too close to Brierley Hill Nothing surprises me about his family history, how did he get into the House Of Lords, were they short of numbers

Linell.

The connection is here:

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ish-Family

And I am afraid the documentary proof is conclusive - I have been in contact with other Parrish researchers for many years and we have all independently found the same things.

The marriage allegation (at Worcester) for john and Phobe gives Johns age, which ties with his gravestone (still existing( in Foleshill, Warks.

My ancestor, Thomas, bapt at Oldbury, has a settlement certificate surviving when he moved to Old Swinford, where he married Joanna Gauden. He later moved to Brierley Hill where he was involved in the glass trade - his descendants are to be found mainly in the lower end of Brettell Lane, and Amblecote/Audnam/Wordsley area.

John and Phoebe had other children : John - no bapt but connected via wills, Cornelius (b Madeley/ Telford) and William (b Madeley/ Telford). Cornelius and John later turn up in Foleshill area, confirming connection.

John Prescott descends from William, allegedly via incestuous relationship involving his descendant Athelia, who had four children prior to her marriage ...hmmmm?

linell wrote:God I hope he is not connected to me I have Parish's from Cradley, bit too close to Brierley Hill Nothing surprises me about his family history, how did he get into the House Of Lords, were they short of numbers

Linell.

I know! Please someone tell me to stop!!!!
Or even urge me to delete thread!!!!
The fact remains, the evidence is there...

sp1 wrote:

linell wrote:God I hope he is not connected to me I have Parish's from Cradley, bit too close to Brierley Hill Nothing surprises me about his family history, how did he get into the House Of Lords, were they short of numbers

Linell.

I know! Please someone tell me to stop!!!!
Or even urge me to delete thread!!!!
The fact remains, the evidence is there...

LOL Steve, the Genealogist versus the pragmatist

Don't delete this. This is better than Eastenders. Not that it takes much doing, but it is very interesting all the same

Its not my lot

kdp wrote:Its not my lot

Phew .... and .... breathe

So - what I want to know is - who's in line for the Jags ?

kdp wrote:Its not my lot

Unfortunately it's my lot!

RichardKendall84 wrote:Don't delete this. This is better than Eastenders. Not that it takes much doing, but it is very interesting all the same

Yeah but not better than Corrie

Ok to archive this now?

Along with John Prescott

You just don't want him on BCC do you!!
Don't worry, as he's still alive I couldn't add him anyway.

I started to add the other children of John Parrish & Phoebe Jeston to BCC this morning but got called away - will try to finish them later. John & Phoebe seem to have been quite nomadic - they married 1733, only one child, Thomas, bapt locally 1744, Oldbury) two bapts a few years later in Madeley, and two children we can find no baptism for. There are some big gaps so I feel sure there must be other children. Additionally no sign of any daughters, which seems odd.

Equally there is no baptism to be found for John or Phoebe, despite knowing when they were born, they (Parrish & Jeston) are both local names so it is either odd or just plain bad luck that neither of them can be found.

The television programme that featured John Prescott (does anyone know the name of it) asserted that his ancestor Athalia Parrish had four illegitimate children fathered by her own father prior to her marriage, and stated that it 'was common for daughters to assume ALL of the roles of their mothers if they had died. I don't think this is true as we know the father of at least on of the children.
Athalia had four illegitimate children:
John b1845
Charles b1847
James b1849
Mary Ann b1851
She then married and had more children.

One of the above children, James, was registered as JONES- son of Richard Jones & Athalia Jones, formerly Parrish. However they were not married, but were next door neighbours. Richard Jones went on to marry someone else. James never seems to have used the name Jones and is always later found using the name Parrish.

Before you all think you have escaped the connection to John Prescott be warned that, apart from the huge number of Brierley Hill Parrishes, one branch of John Prescotts line moved from Chirk to, of all places, Bilston!!

This is definitely better than Corrie NL!

Kinda wishing was one of mine now, might be able to go further back