Genealogy Forum UK

Stuck on this one ....

I have a William Perry b abt 1805 here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =641520380

I have put him with this family whilst I work it out

I have a possible marriage
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =826078073

23 Dec 1832 Oldswinford
William Perry otp bach
Mary Cooper otp spinster
banns
X both
Wit - X Josiah Perry X Maria Bagley


wits marriage on IGI
Groom's Name: Josiah Perry
Bride's Name: Maria Bagley
Marriage Date: 10 Nov 1833
Marriage Place: Old Swinford,Worcester,England

So Josiah Perry and Wm Perry may be bros
the only bapts I can see are 2 for Wm....does one die ...why 2

christening: 19 Jan 1806 PARK LANE PRESBYTERIAN,"‹CRADLEY,"‹WORCESTER,"‹ENGLAND
parents: James Perry,"‹ Rachel

and

William Perry christening: 12 Jan 1812 CRADLEY,"‹WORCESTER,"‹ENGLAND parents: James Perry,"‹ Rachel
and
Josiah Perry christening: 04 Feb 1810 PARK LANE PRESBYTERIAN,"‹CRADLEY,"‹WORCESTER,"‹ENGLAND
parents: James Perry,"‹ Rachel


so I am not sure if Wm and Josiah are bros or other rellies


other Brother Samuel Perry marries a Susannah Bagley
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =368794782

and I think Susannahs sister is Maria Bagley that marries Josiah

Q are Wm and Josiah bros
Q is there another Wm Perry and Mary that marry that would suit Wms bapt of 1812
Q are there 2 James Perry and Rachels marrying .....some kids bapt RR some Cradley

what do you think?

Sometimes they marry and baptise at both a non-conformist and C of E church.

Looking at the actual Parish Register, Page 160 entry No: 652 reads.

"William Son of James and Rachel Perry of the Parish of Rowley and county of Stafford baptised Feb 19th 1806."

Looking at the actual Parish Register, Page 184 entry No: 874 reads.

"Josiah Son of James and Rachel Perry of the Parish of Rowley and county of Stafford baptised Feb 4th 1810. by Ditto (Rev. B. Carpenter)."

So the description of the parents is identical. So I would say they are siblings.

It is not unusual for non-conformists to have their children re-christened or re-baptised if they change Christian denomination, say from Presbyterian to Anglican.

So the 1812 Willaim is quite possibly the same as the 1806 William.

At same Presbyterian Chuch are a John and Sarah Perry who aslo have a Josiah.

Piece Description Register of Births and Baptisms at Park Lane Presbyterian Chapel in the parish of Cradley over Stourbridge, Worcestershire from 1789 to 1821
TNA Reference RG4 / Piece 2015 / Folio 88
[Chapel/Registry]
Full Name Josiah Perry
Date of Baptism 1 February 1807
Place of Baptism
Date of Birth
Place of Abode -
Parish of Abode Rowley
County of Abode Staffordshire
Registration Date
Registration Town/County Cradley, Worcestershire
Ceremony Performed by -
Godparents
Godfather
Godmother
Parents
Father * John Perry
Father's Profession
Mother * Sarah Perry
Mother's Maiden Name
Mother's Parish
Date of Marriage
Place of Marriage
Maternal Parents
Name(s)
Profession
Town & County
Paternal Parents
Name(s)
Profession

Looking at the parish register, there is this entry that appears to be a brother of WIlliam and Josiah.

"Thomas Son of James and Rachel Perry of the Parish of Rowley and county of Stafford baptised September 13th 1807."

And a sister? Notice parish has changed to Cradely....

"Elizabeth Daughter of James and Rachel Perry of the Parish of Cradely and county of Stafford baptised June 15th 1817."

Thanks Mark I think they are sibs and as you say maybe bapt twice their wm