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1901: Malt Mill Lane, Rowley Regis
William Bateman 26 Head Coalminer Hewer Rowley
Martha Bateman 25 Wife H.Owen, Worc
George Bateman 1 Son Rowley
Louisa Bateman 1 Month Dau Rowley

Poss
Marriage 1899
BATEMAN William CLIFT Martha Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office 012/003/396

on BCC - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... man-Family

added for a look up

1911: 167 Causeway Green Road, Langley, Oldbury, Worc
William Bateman 37 Head Brickmakers Lab - Brickworks - Blackheath, Worc
Martham Bateman 36 Wife Halesowen Married 12yrs, 7 children born alive, 5 still living, 2 have died
Stanley Bateman 8 Son Langley
Frederick Bateman 5 Son Langley
May Bateman 4 Dau Langley
Dorothy Bateman 1 Dau Langley

Thankyou RF for the following...

Marriage 24 Dec 1899 St Paul Blackheath
William BATEMAN 25 B Collier Green Lane Father Christopher Bateman Collier
Martha CLIFT 25 S Pounds Road Causeway Green Father Enoch Clift Collier Carter?
After Banns/Both Signed
Wit; John Salisbury Louisa Clift

Here's Martha pre-marriage...

1891: Manor Lane, Lapal, Worc
Enoch Clift 64 Head Coal Loader Whiteheath, Staffs
Harriet Clift 54 Wife Frankley, Worc
Alice Clift 25 Dau S assists at home
Martha Clift 15 Dau
Louisa Clift 10 Dau
Blanche Clift 1 Dau
(others born Manor Lane, Worc)

1881: Manor Lane
Enock Clift 53 Head Coal Mine Lab Staffordshire
Harriet Clift 45 Wife Frankley
Alice Clift 15 Dau
Lilly Clift 8 Dau
Martha Clift 5 Dau
Louisa Clift 6mths Dau
(others born Halesowen)

Marriages Dec 1872
CLIFT Enoch Bromsgrove 6c 753
HALL Harriet Bromsgrove 6c 753
KNIGHT William Bromsgrove 6c 753
Moore Harriett Bromsgrove 6c 753

mmm...I wonder

Lets see if there are any clues....

1901: Pound Road, Warley, Worc
Enoch Clift 73 Head Ordinary Agricultural Labourer Rowley
Harriet Clift 63 Wife Northfield
Louisa Clift 20 Dau S Cook/Chocolate Coverer Halesowen

1911: 310 Pound Road, Warley
Jesse Smith 30 Head Fitting Maker - Tube Trade - Married 8yrs, 3 children born alive, 3 still living
Louisa Smith 30 Wife
Doris Smith 7 Dau
Jesse Smith 5 Son
Albert Smith 2 Son Oldbury
Harriet Clift 74 Mother in Law Widow
(others born Halesowen)

Marriage 1903
SMITH Jesse CLIFT Louisa Oldbury, St Michael & All Angels (Langley) Sandwell Register Office 13/1/351

mallosa wrote:
1891: Manor Lane, Lapal, Worc
Enoch Clift 64 Head Coal Loader Whiteheath, Staffs
Harriet Clift 54 Wife Frankley, Worc
Alice Clift 25 Dau S assists at home
Martha Clift 15 Dau
Louisa Clift 10 Dau
Blanche Clift 1 Dau
(others born Manor Lane, Worc)

Was Enoch married before?

This looks like him with his parents (born Whiteheath?)

1841: Whiteheath Gate, Rowley Regis
(all Nailmakers)
Willm Clift 40 Head
Martha Clift 40 Wife
Rebecca Clift 16 Dau
Enoch Clift 14 Son
Mary Clift 12 Dau
Hannah Clift 9 Dau
Joseph Clift 6 Son
(all born in county)

1851: Whiteheath Gate
William Clift 54 Nailer
Martha Clift 54
John Clift 29 Nailer U
Enock Clift 26 Labourer U
Mary Clift 22 U Nailer
Anah Clift 20 Nailer U
Joseph Clift 17 Nailer U
Thos Clift 5 Mo Son
(all born Rowley)

Need to find Enoch in 1861 & 1871

mallosa wrote:Marriages Dec 1872
CLIFT Enoch Bromsgrove 6c 753
HALL Harriet Bromsgrove 6c 753
KNIGHT William Bromsgrove 6c 753
Moore Harriett Bromsgrove 6c 753
mmm...I wonder

Extracted.
ENOCH CLIFT.
HARRIET HALL.
Marriage. 03 NOV 1872. Saint Kenelms, Romsley, Worcester.

It looks like Alice is Harriets daughter.
1871. Cottages at Webb Grn, Lapal.
William Hall 65. Farm labourer.
Elizabeth Hall 64. Bromsgrove.
Harriet Hall 34. Dau. Unm. Nailer. Frankly.
Arthur Hall 12. Grandson.
Alice Hall 5. Drand dau.
Joseph Hall 2. Grandson.

Others born Halesowen.

Thankyou Jimmy!

Jimmy wrote:It looks like Alice is Harriets daughter.
1871. Cottages at Webb Grn, Lapal.
William Hall 65. Farm labourer.
Elizabeth Hall 64. Bromsgrove.
Harriet Hall 34. Dau. Unm. Nailer. Frankly.
Arthur Hall 12. Grandson.
Alice Hall 5. Drand dau.
Joseph Hall 2. Grandson.

Others born Halesowen.

This family are already on BCC - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... all-Family

Connected up - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... all-Family

mallosa wrote:Marriage 1903
SMITH Jesse CLIFT Louisa Oldbury, St Michael & All Angels (Langley) Sandwell Register Office 13/1/351

I think this is the same Jesse Smith - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ith-Family

I've requested a look up, if his father is Samuel we can connect up

mallosa wrote:
1891: Manor Lane, Lapal, Worc
Enoch Clift 64 Head Coal Loader Whiteheath, Staffs
Harriet Clift 54 Wife Frankley, Worc
Alice Clift 25 Dau S assists at home
Martha Clift 15 Dau
Louisa Clift 10 Dau
Blanche Clift 1 Dau
(others born Manor Lane, Worc)

Here's Harriet's daughter Alice Hall - born before her marriage to Enoch (I have added her as Hall but in all Census, she is Clift

1901: New England, Halesowen, Worc
Christopher Cutler 31 Head S Rivet Maker Whiteheath, Staffs
Alice Clift 34 Boarder S
Blanche Clift 11 Boarder (In 1891 she is stated as dau of Enoch & Harriet but could she be Alice's daughter?)
Walter Clift 8 Boarder
Elsie Clift 5 Boarder
Harry Clift 8 Months Boarder
(others born Halesowen)

1911: 2 Mincing Lane, Blackheath, Rowley Regis
Alice Clift 44 Mother Single Halesowen 5 children born alive, 5 still living Occupation - nothing
Blanche Clift 21 Dau Single Gen Servant Halesowen
Walter Clift 18 Son Single Labourer Tube Works Halesowen
Elsie Clift 15 Dau Packing in Tip Works Blackheath
Harry Clift 10 Son School Blackheath
Lewes Clift 7 Dau Scholl Blackheath

The following are transcribed as being with the above but no sign of them on the actual census..

J Hanson 52 Head
Sarah Hanson 52
G Hanson 17
Harry Hanson 15
Horace Hanson 10