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I have added this Dearne family to BCC ..
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=46407721

It gets a bit confusing because there is another Ephraim Dearne born 1815 (rather than 1819) here ..
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

alot of the names and birthdates are similar so I hope I haven't got households mixed up!

Anyway ... going back to the Ephraim born in 1819...
on this census...

1851 14 Hadleys Building,Harborne
Ephraim Durn,32,head,married, carpenter,born Smethwick
Mary,29,wife, born London
William,2,son, born Smethwick
Joseph, 7months, son, born Smethwick
Margaret Farrel,12,sister in law,born London

...his sister in law is listed as Margaret Farrel
... so is his wife's maiden name Farrel ?

can't find the marriage
Can anyone else see a possible?

I am also stuck on the marriage for the son William ( married to unknown Mary) if anyone can spot that one

Why are the wives nearly always unknown Marys ?

I think it is possible that Ephraim Dearne born 1819 is the son of William Dearne born 1796 ( a carpenter)
and that William may have been the son of Charles Dearne born 1757.... still working on those connections but if anyone has any extra info. that would be great

Thankyou
Expat

Since these are direct ancestors of mine I will try and unravel the Dearn(e) families.

St John The Baptist, Halesowen records have over 130 burials for Dearn(e) family members so that is good place to start....

The two Ephraims in 1861. They are fairly easy to tell apart and the children are different enough to avoid confusion.....

861 census transcription details for: Brisnall Fields
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 2021 Folio: 8 Page: 11

Reg. District: West Bromwich Sub District: 2 Oldbury
Parish: Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: Quinton City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Brisnall Fields
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DEARNE, Ephraim Head Married M 45 1816 Labourer Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Mary Wife Married F 41 1820 Nail Maker Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 23 1838 Nail Maker Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840 Nail Maker Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Nail Maker Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Hannah Daughter F 12 1849 Nail Maker Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Eliza Daughter F 12 1849 Nail Maker Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Epraim Son M 10 1851 Scholar Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Isaac Son M 8 1853 Scholar Warley Wigorn Worcestershire

1861 census transcription details for: Rabone Lane, Harborne
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 2125 Folio: 107 Page: 28

Reg. District: Kings Norton Sub District: 3 Harborne
Parish: Harborne Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: St Peters City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Rabone Lane, Harborne
County: Worcestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DOWNS, Ephrain Head Married M 42 1819 Carpenter And Joiner ... Shropshire
DOWNS, Mary Wife Married F 42 1819 Galss Smoother ... Middlesex
DOWNS, William Son Unmarried M 13 1848 Scholar ... ...
DOWNS, Joseph Son M 11 1850 Scholar ... ...
DOWNS, Ephraim Son M 8 1853 Scholar Smethwick Staffordshire
DOWNS, Anna Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar Smethwick Staffordshire
DOWNS, Mary Daughter F 1 1860 Smethwick Staffordshire
DEARNE, Henry Son M 6 1855 Scholar Warley Wigorn Worcestershire

William married Mary Ann Ballham

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Print Close
Name: BALLHAM, Mary Ann
Registration district: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1873
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 1120

MarriageFinder: Mary Ann Ballham married one of the following people:

DEARN, William

LEATH, Samuel

BURROWS, Ann

BALLHAM Mary A DEARN William West Bromwich, All Saints Sandwell Register Office 22/13/296

1815 has bap

St John Halesowen 20 July 1815
Ephraim, son of Isaac & Sarah Dunn, Warley Wigorne, Carpenter

1841 at Bristnall Field, Hamlet of Warley Wigorn
Willm Dearn 45 Carpenter
Mary Dearn 45
Ricd Dearn 20 Nailer
Ephraim Dearn 20 Carpenter
Jose Dearn 15 Grinder
Willm Dearn 9
Hannah Dearn 3

All b. in county

Charles Dearn 85 is in an earlier entry on same page of this census

dianel wrote:1841 at Bristnall Field, Hamlet of Warley Wigorn
Willm Dearn 45 Carpenter
Mary Dearn 45
Ricd Dearn 20 Nailer
Ephraim Dearn 20 Carpenter
Jose Dearn 15 Grinder
Willm Dearn 9
Hannah Dearn 3

All b. in county

Charles Dearn 85 is in an earlier entry on same page of this census

so this belongs here ?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=46407721

This 1861 census with previous entries:

Entry 46 - at the Plough Inn, Brisnall Fields:
William Dearne Head 38 Licensed Victualler b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Ellen Dearne Wife 33 b. Worcestershire, Halesowen
George Dearne 16 Ag. Lab. b. Worcestershire, Halesowen
Alice Dearne Daur 14 Residing at home b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Hannah Dearne Daur 9 Scholar b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Esther Dearne Daur 7 Scholar b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
William Dearne 5 Scholar b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Thomas Dearne 3 b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Mary Dearne Daur 1 b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Henry Lowe Serv 28 Ag. Lab. b. Worcestershire, Oldbury

Entry 47
James Dearne Head 60 Labourer b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Ann Dearne Wife 52 b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Joseph Dearne Son 20 Labourer b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Elizabeth Dearne Daur 18 Nail Maker b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Mary Dearne Daur 15 Nail Maker b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn

Entry 48
DEARNE, Ephraim Head Married M 45 Labourer Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Mary Wife Married F 41 Nail Maker Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 23 Nail Maker Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 21 Nail Maker Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 16 Nail Maker Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Hannah Daughter F 12 Nail Maker Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Eliza Daughter F 12 Nail Maker Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Epraim Son M 10 Scholar Warley Wigorn Worcestershire
DEARNE, Isaac Son M 8 Scholar Warley Wigorn Worcestershire

dianel wrote:This 1861 census with previous entries:

Entry 46 - at the Plough Inn, Brisnall Fields:
William Dearne Head 38 Licensed Victualler b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Ellen Dearne Wife 33 b. Worcestershire, Halesowen
George Dearne 16 Ag. Lab. b. Worcestershire, Halesowen
Alice Dearne Daur 14 Residing at home b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Hannah Dearne Daur 9 Scholar b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Esther Dearne Daur 7 Scholar b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
William Dearne 5 Scholar b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Thomas Dearne 3 b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Mary Dearne Daur 1 b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Henry Lowe Serv 28 Ag. Lab. b. Worcestershire, Oldbury

same family 1881

1881; Bristnall Fields, Warley Wigorn, Worcester

William DEARNE 58 Warley Salop, Worcester, Employing 5 Labourers & 2 Boys Farmer Of 240 Acres
Ellen DEARNE 55 Warley Salop, Worcester,
Alice DEARNE 34 Warley Salop, Worcester,
William DEARNE 25 Warley Salop, Worcester,
Thomas DEARNE 23 Warley Salop, Worcester,
Mary DEARNE 21 Warley Salop, Worcester,
Samuel DEARNE 17 Warley Salop, Worcester,
Elizabeth DEARNE 11 Warley Salop, Worcester,
Fanny DEARNE Daur U 21 Warley Salop, Worcester,
William Rd. DEARNE Son 3 m Warley Salop, Worcester,


3 doors down poss son william in 1861


1881; Bristnall Fields, Warley Wigorn, Worcester

William DEARN 28 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Moulder
Elizabeth DEARN 26 Bristnall Fields, Worcester,
Sarah Ann DEARN 4 Bristnall Fields, Worcester,
William DEARNS 3 Bristnall Fields, Worcester,
Edward DEARN 1 Bristnall Fields, Worcester,

household previous to william Srn

1881; Bristnall Fields, Warley Wigorn, Worcester

Arthur DEARNE Head W 52 Warley Salop, Worcester, Labourer
Thomas DEARNE Son U 22 Warley Salop, Worcester, Labourer

4 up

1881; Bristnall Fields, Warley Wigorn, Worcester

William DEARNE Head 49 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Labourer
Elizabeth DEARNE 50 Bristnall Fields, Worcester,
Elisa DEARNE 23 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Labourer
James DEARNE 22 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Labourer
Silas DEARNE 20 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Labourer
Maria DEARNE 14 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Scholar
Elizabeth DEARNE 12 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Scholar
Clara DEARNE 6 Bristnall Fields, Worcester,


3 more up

1881; Bristnall Fields, Warley Wigorn, Worcester

Mary DEARNE Head W 66 Warley Wyhorn, Worcester,
Henry DEARNE Son 25 Warley Wyhorn, Worcester, Labourer
Arthur DEARNE G. Son U 14 Warley Wyhorn, Worcester,


next door

James DEARNE 80 Warley Wyhorn, Worcester, Labourer
Ann DEARNE 75 Warley Wyhorn, Worcester,

1861 Entry 47

James Dearne Head 60 Labourer b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Ann Dearne Wife 52 b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Joseph Dearne Son 20 Labourer b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Elizabeth Dearne Daur 18 Nail Maker b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn
Mary Dearne Daur 15 Nail Maker b. Worcestershire, Warley Wigorn

so how do these all connect ?

1881 Plough Lane, Warley Salop, Worcester

Arthur DEARN Head W 50 Warley Salop, Worcester, Farm Labourer
Thomas DEARN Son U 22 Warley Salop, Worcester, Farm Labourer


are these the same people ? confusing


1881; Bristnall Fields, Warley Wigorn, Worcester

Arthur DEARNE Head W 52 Warley Salop, Worcester, Labourer
Thomas DEARNE Son U 22 Warley Salop, Worcester, Labourer

1881 another double entry ?


1881; Bristnall Fields, Warley Wigorn, Worcester

William DEARNE Head 49 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Labourer
Elizabeth DEARNE 50 Bristnall Fields, Worcester,
Elisa DEARNE 23 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Labourer
James DEARNE 22 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Labourer
Silas DEARNE 20 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Labourer
Maria DEARNE 14 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Scholar
Elizabeth DEARNE 12 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Scholar
Clara DEARNE 6 Bristnall Fields, Worcester


and


1881; George Lane, Warley Salop, Worcester

William DEARN 49 Warley, Worcester, Labourer
Elisabeth DEARN 51 Warley, Worcester,
Eliza DEARN 23 Warley, Worcester, Nailforger
James DEARN 22 Warley, Worcester, Labourer
Silas DEARN 20 Warley, Worcester, Labourer
Maria DEARN 14 Warley, Worcester, Domestic Servant
Elisabeth DEARN 12 Warley, Worcester, Scholar
Clara DEARN 6 Warley, Worcester, Scholar

so the one with father Isaac is a Labourer?

but the other one with father Unk is a carpenter

but Isaac father is a carpenter?

so do we have it correct on Bcc?

Northern Lass wrote:so the one with father Isaac is a Labourer?

but the other one with father Unk is a carpenter

but Isaac father is a carpenter?

so do we have it correct on Bcc?

dont no been trying to find the other Ephraim marriage ?

dianel wrote:1841 at Bristnall Field, Hamlet of Warley Wigorn
Willm Dearn 45 Carpenter
Mary Dearn 45
Ricd Dearn 20 Nailer
Ephraim Dearn 20 Carpenter
Jose Dearn 15 Grinder
Willm Dearn 9
Hannah Dearn 3

All b. in county

Charles Dearn 85 is in an earlier entry on same page of this census

that looks good then expat for this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =862185064

do you want to add that in?