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Can anyone crack this.....why are they Called Thomas Siviter TRomans
spent ages on this other day

one here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =310428210

Then his uncle here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =100889819
not called him the Siviter Tromans bit as need to cf bapt but think it is him

Then here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =130152017

Going back to here on that line
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =722812402

Can we find
-a marriage for the top Thomas TRomans
-a bapt for him
-why does he call kids with that siviter name

Common for a child's middle name to be the maiden name of mother or grandmother.

Civil Registration event: Marriage
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Name: SIVITER, Joseph
Registration district: Dudley
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1872
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6C
Page no: 231

MarriageFinder: Joseph Siviter married one of the following people:

SMITH, Emma

TROMANS, Mary

HADLEY, Daniel

Yes but that name travels way back to the link I gave

why does that particular family of Thomas Tromans and Elizabeth call sons Thomas Siviter
and even a dau Elizabeth Siviter

need marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth and his bapt
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=55536157

(the one you flag marries emma smith
1872 SIVITER Joseph SMITH Emma Cradley Heath, St Luke Sandwell Register Office 20/1/249 )


I wonder if Thomas Tromans
b 1780 ish......marries an Elizabeth Siviter
or if his mother is a siviter

MarkCDodd wrote:Common for a child's middle name to be the maiden name of mother or grandmother.

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Print Close
Name: SIVITER, Joseph
Registration district: Dudley
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1872
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6C
Page no: 231

MarriageFinder: Joseph Siviter married one of the following people:

SMITH, Emma

TROMANS, Mary

HADLEY, Daniel

It doesn't always follow that middle names have family connections, I have a James Heaton Darby, the 'Heaton' was the name of the local Baptist Pastor. Linell.

Don't know if this is any help

from Family Search

groom's name: William Sivater
bride's name: Sarah Trowman
marriage date: 14 Mar 1768
marriage place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
indexing project (batch) number: M04014-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 378770

Family Search has this
??

Groom's name: Thomas Troman
bride's name: Elizabeth Hampton
marriage date: 22 Aug 1797
marriage place: Rowley Parish, England
indexing project (batch) number: I03880-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number:

3 of the kids are bapt on the same day
They have also used Baker as a middle name, just as confusing..

1 May 1811
Willm, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Aug 24 1806
Josh Baker, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Jan 18 1808
Thos Siviter, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Dec 26 1809

from BCC
1841 Old Hill
William Troman 30 Gun Barrel welder
Eliza Troman 24
Henry Tromans 17
Ednah Tromans 16 (female column)
George Tromans 14
Daniel Tromans 12
Edmund Tromans 8
Alfred Tromans 4 months
all say yes to born in County

Edmund bapt, their last kid
21 Apr 1833 Edmund, s of Thomas & Eliz Truman, Old Hill, Victualler

poss death
23 Jul 1834 Eliz Truman, Old Hill, 46, Fever

don't see a death for Thomas except this one.. not sure where 'The Crosses' is
28 May 1841 Thomas Troman, The Crosses, 62

Must be Old Hill Cross FS, famous landmark, still is today, everyone knows of Old Hill Cross.

Linell.

FarSide wrote:3 of the kids are bapt on the same day
They have also used Baker as a middle name, just as confusing..

1 May 1811
Willm, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Aug 24 1806
Josh Baker, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Jan 18 1808
Thos Siviter, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Dec 26 1809

I wonder if this http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ker-Family fits in the mix.

If Thomas Tromans (1780) married Elizabeth Siviter Baker (1788) then that would perhaps explain it? Or is that just crazy-not-had-coffee-yet talk?

gardener wrote:

FarSide wrote:3 of the kids are bapt on the same day
They have also used Baker as a middle name, just as confusing..

1 May 1811
Willm, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Aug 24 1806
Josh Baker, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Jan 18 1808
Thos Siviter, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Dec 26 1809

I wonder if this http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ker-Family fits in the mix.

If Thomas Tromans (1780) married Elizabeth Siviter Baker (1788) then that would perhaps explain it? Or is that just crazy-not-had-coffee-yet talk?

That looks good is there a marriage?

I cant see one but I am going to add as a possible and hyperlink


done with this now thanks everyone

FarSide wrote:

from BCC
1841 Old Hill
William Troman 30 Gun Barrel welder
Eliza Troman 24
Henry Tromans 17
Ednah Tromans 16 (female column)
George Tromans 14
Daniel Tromans 12
Edmund Tromans 8
Alfred Tromans 4 months
all say yes to born in County

Edmund bapt, their last kid
21 Apr 1833 Edmund, s of Thomas & Eliz Truman, Old Hill, Victualler

poss death
23 Jul 1834 Eliz Truman, Old Hill, 46, Fever

don't see a death for Thomas except this one.. not sure where 'The Crosses' is
28 May 1841 Thomas Troman, The Crosses, 62

I didnt know either where it was FS but RF says here tis

Garretts Lane- Halesowen Road Then across to Reddal Hill Road it was a staggered Cross- It was always called Old Hill Cross

put in Halesowen road Cradley Heath

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

Here's some pictures of Old Hill Cross:-

http://www.blackcountrybugle.co.uk/News ... 092011.htm

HTH Linell.