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				mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:20 am
				by tftl
				Hi, I have been searching for almost 3 years for Mary McKenna and herbert evans marriage record, to no avail!
Mary Mckenna was born in glasneivin rd, dublin in 1873( information i found in 1911 census)
her husband was Herbert evans born 1875 in newcastle under lyne, and in the 1911 census both lived in 10 chatham row, portsea, hampshire.
we have correct couple as alice grace ( daughter)is my grandmother in law and herbert samuel ( son) is her brother!
It states they had been married 8 years at time of census but where? and where is the record? its driving me crazy! 
Please could anyone help with any ideas where else to look or is able to find any record, i would be forever grateful
Many thanks 
Tracy
			 
			
					
				Re: mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:30 am
				by Northern Lass
				gardener wrote:Hi
The 1911 says he was in the Royal Marine Light Infantry
Is that him in Malta in the 1901 census?
Could this be his record?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/docu ... ultcount=5If Mary was born in Ireland then they may not have married in England. Do you have her in the 1901 census?
 
 
			
					
				Re: mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:57 am
				by tftl
				Hi Northern girl,
yes this is him i think!  I will purchace the record now,thankyou . If they were married in Ireland how do i go about serching for it there. i am a member of ancestry.com but cant search irish records. I started to worry they may not have been married :/
I need the marriage record to go any further in my tree as i do not know parents names of either mary or herbert! I am determined to find them! 
Thankyou for your help with the record. 
Tracy
			 
			
					
				Re: mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:17 am
				by Jimmy
				Is this them,  it says married 8 years,
1911.
Herbert Evans.
Age in 1911: 	36.
Estimated Birth Year: 	abt 1875.
Relation to Head: 	Head.
Gender: 	Male.
Birth Place: 	Born Newcastle Under Lyne, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: 	Portsmouth.
County/Island: 	Hampshire.
Country: 	England.
Street Address: 	No 10 Chatham Row, Portsea.
Marital Status: 	Married.
Occupation: 	The Royal Marine Light Infantry.
Registration district: 	Portsmouth.
Registration District Number: 	90.
Sub-registration district: 	Portsea and Landport.
ED, institution, or vessel: 	24.
Household schedule number: 	314.
Piece: 	5584.
Household Members: 	
Name 	Age.
Herbert Evans 	36.
Mary Evans 	38.
Herbert Samuel Evans 	7.
Alice Grace Evans 	3.
			 
			
					
				Re: mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:32 am
				by tftl
				Hi Jimmy
Yes thats them, i know herbert lied about his age when he first joined the navy, this could be why there is a diffrence in birth dates! 1911 census is correct one as i know they lived in chatham row in portsea! and Alice Grace louisa was my grandmother in law, and her brother was herbert!
Thank you for responding, gives me hope i might find their marriage or some information on Mary Mckenna's family! 
tracy
			 
			
					
				Re: mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:55 am
				by peterd
				Description Name  Evans, Herbert 
Register Number:  8323 
Division:  Royal Marine Light Infantry: Portsmouth Division 
When Enlisted/Date of Enlistment:  20 December 1895 
 
Date 08 February 1878 
this ties with this ? could the 1911 age be wrong ?
1881;  16 Clarence St, Newcastle Under Lyme, Stafford 
 Henry EVANS   23   Norton In Hales, Shropshire, Tile And Quarry Maker     
 Clara EVANS   20   Newcastle, Stafford, 
 Herbert EVANS   2   Newcastle, Stafford, 
 Harry EVANS   3 m   Newcastle, Stafford, 
 Thomas EVANS   Brother   U   18   Woore, Shropshire, England   Tile And Quarry Maker
 
			
					
				Re: mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:59 am
				by peterd
				do you have herbert samuel birt cert what was the address might help ?
			 
			
					
				Re: mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:52 pm
				by tftl
				Hi,
No we dont have birth record/certificate. Which is making it more difficult. 
I may have to give up, its almost impossible t find them!
Tracy
			 
			
					
				Re: mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:52 pm
				by gardener
				Hi Tracy
Where do you have Mary's surname from? Is that from a birth certificate or family knowledge?
			 
			
					
				Re: mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:05 pm
				by tftl
				Its on Herbert her sons birth certificate, and family knowledge really!
			 
			
					
				Re: mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:50 pm
				by peterd
				tftl wrote:Its on Herbert her sons birth certificate, and family knowledge really!
herbert born 1904 ?
what was the address ?
 
			
					
				Re: mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:05 pm
				by tftl
				herbert samuel born 1904 and lived at 10 chatham row....
			 
			
					
				Re: mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:26 pm
				by peterd
				tftl wrote:herbert samuel born 1904 and lived at 10 chatham row....
the cert say born 10 chatham row so i would check the electrol register for 10 chatham row 1904 backward to see who lived there ?
 
			
					
				Re: mckenna / evans missing marriage record
				Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:49 pm
				by gardener
				gardener wrote:Hi
The 1911 says he was in the Royal Marine Light Infantry
Is that him in Malta in the 1901 census?
Could this be his record?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/docu ... ultcount=5If Mary was born in Ireland then they may not have married in England. Do you have her in the 1901 census?
 
I think the only thing to do is cough up the money for this and see if it gives any information.
Name 	Evans, Herbert
Register Number: 	8323
Division: 	Royal Marine Light Infantry: Portsmouth Division
When Enlisted/Date of Enlistment: 	20 December 1895
Date 	08 February 1878
It looks like a good match to your man doesn't it?
1911 Herbert Evans aged 36 The Royal Marine Light Infantry
1901 Herbert Evans aged 23 Crew on Ramilles at Malta
1891 Herbert Evans aged 12
1881 Herbert Evans aged 2
always born Newcastle (Under Lyme)
The record says (I assume this is meant as birth date) 8 Feb 1878
There isn't a birth to fit that but there is
Births Mar 1879   
Evans	 Herbert	  	 Newcastle L.	 6b	72
so the record could have the right month and date but wrong year.
I can't see Mary anywhere at all pre-1911. There is a possible Alice Mary McKenna but she isn't born Ireland, and is married to another man in 1901. 
The Irish 1901 census is here 
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ but the only McKennas on Glasnevin are a nun I think and a school girl called Annie.
Sorry I can't help more