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I"™ve been looking at the children of James Plant c. 1767 and Nancy Robinson c. 1773 (I now think that's closer to her birth date).

They had about 13 children, from James bpt. 1796 down to John bpt. 1821, most at St Thomas"™, Dudley, some in Tipton.

It"™s John I"™ve been looking at. I think he was baptised on 22 Apr. 1821 at St Thomas"™ and died in the first quarter of 1861 in Oldbury, Worcs.
He married Phoebe Parkes of Oldbury c.1824-1888, possibly daughter of Isaac and Sarah Parkes and had children..
Elizabeth c. 1846 ;
Sarah Ann c. 1848 ;
Harriet 1851 ;
David 1853 ;
George c. 1856 ;
Eliza c. 1859 ;
and Hannah 1861.

Poor David was deaf and dumb from birth, became a glass ? painter and was in a workhouse as an "˜imbecile"™ in the 1891 census. I think he may have been living with his sister Elizabeth and family in 1881 if she married Robert Jones in 1865 in Tipton, as I think she may have, dau. Prophemia ? Jones c. 1870 Oldbury.

Harriet b. 1851 d. 1913 married William Timmins b. 1852 Oldbury at St Thomas"™ Dudley 1871, children..
Mary Ann Timmins 1871-1908 ;
William 1874-1891 ;
George Edward 1876-1948 ;
John Jeffrey 1878-1961 ;
Florrie 1881-1958 ;
Hannah 1883-1982 ;
Ernest 1885 ;
Harriet 1881-1949.
In 1911 census the widowed Harriet was licensed victualler of The Windsor Castle, 67 Brades Road, Oldbury, Worcs, helped by unmarried daughter Harriet.

I think George Plant married Eliza Round b. 1859 Oldbury in 1878 St Edmund"™s Dudley, children...
Thomas Plant c.1879 Oldbury ;
George Edward Plant 1883 perhaps marr. Laura B. Bates 1909 Christ Church, Oldbury ;
John Plant c. 1888 Oldbury.

Mary Ann Timmins marr. George Henry Sewell b. Oldbury 1869 d. Birmingham Nov 1953 on 4 Feb 1894 Smethwick,
son George Henry Sewell b. 1895 Smethwick.

There may be tie-ups with the Parkes, Timmins, Jones and Sewell families already on BCC.

(Dennis amended a little hope you don't mind NL )

1861 at Stone St., Oldbury
Phoebe Plant Head Widow 32 b. Worcs., Oldbury
Sarah A Plant Daur 13 Scholar b. Worcs., Oldbury
Harriet Plant Daur 11 Scholar b. Worcs., Oldbury
David Plant Son 8 Scholar (Deaf & dumb from birth) b. Worcs., Oldbury
George Plant Son 5 b. Worcs., Oldbury
Eliza Plant Daur 2 b. Worcs., Oldbury
Hannah Plant 2 Week Daur b. Worcs., Oldbury
Sarah Nightingale Parks Niece 21 Nurse & Domestic Serv. b. Worcs., Oldbury

There may be som connections on BCC so would be worth following children and checking some marriages?
Jo

Just to make this a little easier to get our heads around, here are John & Phoebe on BCC:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... 0&pid=1190

I also found it helpful to look at all the children in this way:

James Plant abt. 1767 = Nancy Robinson abt. 1773
Children of James & Nancy:
James 1796 Tipton - 1796 Dudley
Mary 1797 Tipton
James 1803 Tipton = 1. Sarah Jewkes, 2. Sarah Wardley
Thomas 1804 Tipton "“ 1810 Tipton
Betsy 1806 Tipton
William 1807 = Mary Hart
Mary 1808 Tipton = Robert Ellis
Ann 1812 = Edward Edwards
Thomas 1814 Tipton = Elizabeth Nash
Harriot 1816 Tipton
Eliza 1820 Dudley
John bap. 1821 St. Thomas, Dudley, died 1861 Oldbury, Worcs. = Phoebe Parkes c. 1824 "“ 1888 Oldbury
Children of John & Phoebe:
Elizabeth 1846 = Robert Jones
Sarah Ann 1848
Prophemia 1870 Oldbury
Harriet 1849/1851 = William Timmings 1852 Oldbury
Children of Harriet & William: Mary Ann Timmimgs 1871 "“ 1908 = George Henry Sewell
Child of Mary Ann & George Henry: George Henry Sewell b. 1895 Smethwick
William 1874 "“ 1891
George Edward 1876-1948
John Jeffrey 1878-1961
Florrie 1881-1958
Hannah 1883-1982
Ernest 1885
Harriet 1881-1949

David 1853
George 1856 = Eliza Round b. 1859 Oldbury
Children of George & Eliza:
Thomas 1879 Oldbury
George Edward 1883 = 1909 Oldbury Laura Bates
John 1888 Oldbury

Eliza 1859
Hannah 1861

Many thanks, Dianel. Re: James Plant c. 1767's and Nancy Robinson's children. There is a real problem with the IGI in that sometimes a baptism is under James and Nancy but occasionally James and Ann - are they the same people? I'll see what I can find that's not on BCC already.

Dennis wrote:Many thanks, Dianel. Re: James Plant c. 1767's and Nancy Robinson's children. There is a real problem with the IGI in that sometimes a baptism is under James and Nancy but occasionally James and Ann - are they the same people? I'll see what I can find that's not on BCC already.

They probably are the same people Dennis - I had a grandmother who was Elizabeth Ann - sometimes called Annie - but my mom remembers her as Nancy. Another grandmother was Hannah- known either as Annie or Nancy, and a Gr Grandmother, Mary Ann, known as Annie or Nancy.

Many thanks, Antie Em. These are a few additions to what we have on BCC already in the James Plant / Nancy Robinson line:

1. MATTHEW8 PLANT (WILLIAM7, JAMES6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, BENJAMIN2, BENJAMIN1) was born 07 Jul 1838 in Tipton, Staffordshire, and died Abt. 1906 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. He married LOUISA BACHE 23 Nov 1868 in St Philip's church, Birmingham, Warwickshire, daughter of JAMES BACHE and ANN PROBIN. She was born 22 Aug 1844 in Birmingham, Warwickshire, and died 1898 in Birmingham, Warwickshire.

Children of MATTHEW PLANT and LOUISA BACHE are:
10. i. ADA FLORENCE9 PLANT, b. 1870, Birmingham, Warwickshire.
ii. WILLIAM JAMES PLANT, b. 1871, Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire; d. 1871, Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire.
iii. ALICE MAUD PLANT, b. 1873, Birmingham, Warwickshire; d. Abt. 1873, Birmingham, Warwickshire.
11. iv. MATTHEW PLANT, b. Abt. 1876, Birmingham, Warwickshire.
v. SAMUEL PLANT, b. Abt. 1876, Birmingham, Warwickshire.
12. vi. LOUISA PLANT, b. Abt. 1881, Birmingham, Warwickshire; d. 10 Dec 1920, 2 Back 63 Coleshill Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire.
vii. AMELIA PLANT, b. Abt. 1882, Birmingham, Warwickshire.
viii. FRANK PLANT, b. Abt. 1884, Birmingham, Warwickshire.
ix. LIZZIE PLANT, b. Abt. 1886, Birmingham, Warwickshire.
x. FREDERICK PLANT, b. Abt. 1889, Birmingham, Warwickshire.

2. ADA FLORENCE9 PLANT (MATTHEW8, WILLIAM7, JAMES6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, BENJAMIN2, BENJAMIN1) was born 1870 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. She married FREDERICK JAMES COOPER 1890 in Kings Norton, Warwickshire. He was born Abt. 1869 in Birmingham, Warwickshire.

Children of ADA PLANT and FREDERICK COOPER are:
i. FREDERICK10 COOPER, b. Abt. 1892, Smethwick, Staffordshire.
ii. EDITH F COOPER, b. Abt. 1897, Smethwick, Staffordshire.

3. MATTHEW9 PLANT (MATTHEW8, WILLIAM7, JAMES6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, BENJAMIN2, BENJAMIN1) was born Abt. 1876 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. He married LILY UNKNOWN. She was born Abt. 1880 in Birmingham, Warwickshire.

Child of MATTHEW PLANT and LILY UNKNOWN is:
i. NELLIE10 PLANT, b. Abt. 1900, Birmingham, Warwickshire.

4. LOUISA9 PLANT (MATTHEW8, WILLIAM7, JAMES6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, BENJAMIN2, BENJAMIN1) was born Abt. 1881 in Birmingham, Warwickshire, and died 10 Dec 1920 in 2 Back 63 Coleshill Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire. She married LANCELOT MADDISON HAZLE 14 Jan 1904 in The Registry Office, Birmingham. He was born 28 Aug 1881 in 19 Auckland Street, Vauxhall, Lambeth, London, and died 11 Oct 1942 in 77 Dudley Road, Birmingham, Warwickshire.

Child of LOUISA PLANT and LANCELOT HAZLE is:
i. WILLIAM FREDERICK10 HAZLE, b. 30 May 1901, Workhouse Infirmary, Western Road, Birmingham, Warwickshire; d. 1975, Portsmouth, Hampshire; m. JANET ISABELLA WELDON, 05 Feb 1927, Register Office, West Bromwich, Staffordshire; b. 25 Nov 1904, West Bromwich, Staffordshire; d. Dec 1976, Portsmouth, Hampshire.

All England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 Results
Matthew Plant Apr-May-Jun 1898 Birmingham Warwickshire
Lilly Vincent Apr-May-Jun 1898 Birmingham Warwickshire

Census 1911 at 141 Camden St., Birmingham
Matthew Plant Head 35 Brick Layer's Labourer b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
Lily Plant Wife 31 b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
Married 13 years, 3 Children born alive & still living
Louisa Plant Daughter 12 b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
Nellie Plant Daughter 10 b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
Emily Plant Daughter 8 b. Warwickshire, Birmingham

I dont have time to work thru this does anyone else?
can any of this be added?
I can sticky it if anyone likes and they can chip away at it

flagging to archive unless otherwise advised

Dennis do add what you would like to to Bcc

If you sticky it I will work through, will only be slowly mind.
Jo

Many thanks, Jo!

1871. 46 Albert Street, Oldbury
Robert Jones, head, 28, Miner
Elizabeth, wife, 25, Miners wife,
Sarah, daur, 4,
P? daur, 1
/Davis Jones, lodger, 18,ornamental glass painter, Deaf and Dumb from birth
George, Lodger, 15, Labourer
Hannah, lodger, 10,
All born Oldbury

1881. 3, Whyley Street, Oldbury
Robert Jones, head, 38, Miner
Elizabeth, wife, 35,
Prophemia, daur, 11,
Harriett, daur, 9,
Elizabeth, daur, 7,
Emily, daur, 2,
Eliza, daur, 9 months
/David Plant, lodger, 28, Painter, Deaf and Dumb
All born Oldbury

1891. Back of 41 High Street, Oldbury
Robert Jones, head, W, 48, Coal Miner
Phoebe A, daur, 21,
Elizabeth, daur, 19,
Eliza, daur, 10,
Leonard, son, 9,
Robert, son, 7,
Alfred E, son, 5
All born Oldbury

I think if we get this marriage looked up to check father Robert may be on BCC here
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =347533654

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1865
JONES Robert PLANT Elizabeth Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/10/497

added here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =911478983

Transcribed and looks like Timmings
1881. Dingle Street, Oldbury
William Timmings, head, 29, Edge tool ?
Harriet, wife, 30,
Mary Ann, daur, 9,
William, son, 7,
George, son, 5,
John J, son, 2, Cannock
Florry, son, 9 days
Eliza Plant, serv, 23, General servant
Edward Timmings, Nephew, 14, Labourer Steel works
All others born Oldbury

1891. 99 Dingle Street, Rowley Regis
William Timmins, head, 39, Steel hardener
Harriett, wife, 40,
Mary Ann, daur, 9, Rowley Regis
William, son, 17, steel hardener assistant
George, son, 15, steel hardener assistant
Jeffrey, son, 12, Cannock
Florie, daur, 10,
Hannah, daur, 7,
Harriett, daur, 1, Rowley Regis
All others born Oldbury

1901. Brades? St Oldbury
William Timmins, head, 49, Steel worker
Harriet, wife, 50,
George, son, 25, steel worker
Geoffrey, son, 22, steel worker
Florrie, daur, 20,
Hannah, daur,17,
Harriet, daur, 11
All born Oldbury


West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1871
PLANT Harriet TIMMINS William Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/028/467

If we get that marriage checked William may be on BCC here
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... ins-Family


Added here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =316276873

1881. 3, Whyley Street, Oldbury
Robert Jones, head, 38, Miner
Elizabeth, wife, 35,
Prophemia, daur, 11,
Harriett, daur, 9,
Elizabeth, daur, 7,
Emily, daur, 2,
Eliza, daur, 9 months
/David Plant, lodger, 28, Painter, Deaf and Dumb
All born Oldbury

Just found this, Sadly I think it could be the same David...


1901: District Union Workhouse, West Bromwich
David Plant 48 Pauper Single Unknown (Imbecile)