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1881 at 193 Spon Lane, West Bromwich
Edward N. Brettell Head 22 Ironfounder's Clerk b. Staffs., Smethwick
Elizabeth Brettell wife 20 b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Sarah E. Daur Brettell Under 1 mo. b. Staffs., West Bromwich

1871 at Union Street, Smethwick, Harborne
John Brettell Head 41 Iron Founder (Master) b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Elizabeth Brettell Wife 44 b. Staffs., Smethwick
Edward N Brettell Son 12 b. Staffs., Smethwick
Samuel Brettell Son 11 b. Staffs., Smethwick
Thomas J Brettell Son 9 b. Staffs., Smethwick
Howard R Brettell Son 6 b. Staffs., Smethwick
Walter Brettell Son 7 b. Staffs., Smethwick
Mary E Brettell Daur 4 b. Staffs., Smethwick
Ellen Nock Mo. in law W 78 (seems to say "Canal Engineer???) Widow b. Salop, Stokesay
Ellen James Serv. 16 General Servant b. Staffs., Smethwick

1861 at Hile (?) Street, Smethwick, Harborne (transcribed as 'Brother', but 'Brettell' on image)
John Brettell Head 32 Iron Founder Employing 10 men, 8 boys b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Elizabeth Brettell Wife 35 b. Staffs., Smethwick
Elizabeth Nock 2 b. Staffs., Smethwick
Samuel 1 b. Staffs., Smethwick
Ellen Nock Mother-in-law Wid 68 b. Salop, Newton
Caroline Hubbard Serv. 15 House Serv. b. Northamptonshire, Warden

1851 at Canal Company's Engine, Smethwick, Harborne
Edward Nock Head 57 Engineer b. Salop, Bridgenorth
Ellen Nock Wife 57 b. Salop, Stokesay
Elizabeth Nock Daur 25 b. Staffs., Smethwick
Susan Sadler Serv. 16 House Servant b. Staffs., Smethwick

Trying to fit with other Brettells on BCC:

Ancestry Tree:
Edward Nock Brettell 1878 Oct West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England 
Age: 20
Marriage to Elizabeth Povey

All England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
Edward Nock Brettell Oct-Nov-Dec 1878 West Bromwich Staffordshire
Elizabeth Povey Oct-Nov-Dec 1878 West Bromwich


Ancestry Tree:
John Brettell
Birth 1829 in West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Death 14 Feb 1901 in Union Street, Staffordshire
&
Elizabeth Nock
Birth abt 1826 in Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
Marriage: 1857 Jul Worcestershire 
Elizabeth's age: 31

All England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
John Brettell Jul-Aug-Sep 1857 King's Norton Worcestershire
Elizabeth Nock Jul-Aug-Sep 1857

Sighted birth certificate on Ancestry for Edward Nock Brettell:

Born: Nineteenth June 1858
At: New Street, Smethwick
Edward Nock - Boy
Father: John Brettell Ironfounder (master)
Mother: Elizabeth Brettel formerly Nock

Sighted marriage certificate on Ancestry tree:

Date: 27 Aug 1857 at Harborne Parish Church
John Brettell full age Widow Iron Founder Residence: West Bromwich Father: Thomas Brettell Smith
Elizabeth Nock full age Spinster Residence: Harborne Father: Edward Nock Engineer

Marriage without license
Married by Edward Roberts, Curate

Witnesses: Samuel Thompson & Marianne Thompson

John's first marriage?:

Sighted marriage certificate on Ancestry tree:
Date: 16 Nov 1853 at Wesleyan Methodists Chapel, Smethwick
John Brettell 24 years Bachelor Iron Moulder Residence: New Street, Smethwick Father: Thomas Brettell (deceased) Smith
Ann Middleton 20 years Spinster Residence: New Street, Smethwick Father: James Middleton Iron Founder
Married by William Henry Sargent, Minister
Witnesses: James Middleton & Thomas Brettell

1851 at New Street, Smethwick, Harborne
James Middleton Head 45 Iron Founder (Employing 80 Men) b. Staffs., Smethwick
Elizabeth Middleton Wife 37 b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Ann Middleton Daur 18 Governess b. b. Staffs., Smethwick
Charlotte Middleton Daur 9 Scholar b. Staffs., Smethwick
James Middleton Son 7 Scholar b. Staffs., Smethwick
Philip Henry Middleton Son 5 Scholar b. Staffs., Smethwick
Eliza Cook Servant 21 Domestic Servant b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
John Brettell Servant 21 b. Staffs., West Bromwich (1830)

1851 at Spon Lane, West Bromwich
Thomas Brettell Head 51 Jobbing Smith b. Middlesex, London
Catharine Brettell Wife 55 b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
William Brettell Son 25 Clerk at Iron Works b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Joseph Brettell Son 23 Moulder b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Catharine Brettell Daur 18 b. Staffs., West Bromwich

1841 at Spon Lane, West Bromwich
Thomas Brettell 40 Smith N
Catherine Brettell 45 N
Nathan Brettell 20 occ. illegible Y
Thomas Brettell 15 Smith Y
William Brettell 15 occ. illegible Y
John Brettell 12 Y (1829)
Catharine Brettell 8 Y

OR (less likely)
1841 at George Street, (next street from Spon Lane) West Bromwich
Thomas Brettell 40 Tinner Y
Mary Brettell 40 Y
John Brettell 15 do. Y (1826)
Wright Brettell 10 Y
Joseph Brettell 9 Y
Emma Brettell 9 Y
Jane Brettell 4 Y
Harriot Brettell 2 Y
Thomas Brettell 1 X

From Ancestry tree:
Thomas Brettell
Marriage to Catherine Ensor
31 May 1819
1652385, Warwickshire, England 
Age: 19

IGI Extracted Record:
THOMAS BRETTELL
Spouse: CATHERINE EUSOR
Marriage: 31 MAY 1819  Aston Juxta Birmingham, Warwick, England

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 about Thomas Brittel
Name: Thomas Brittel
Baptism Date: 29 Sep 1799
Parish: St Giles, Cripplegate
County: London
Borough: City of London
Parent(s): Nathan Brittel, Liater Brittel
Record Type: Christening
Register Type: Parish Register

Sighted image of actual entry: "Thomas S of Nathan Brittle, Smith & Leah born Sep bap 29th"

Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837 about Nathan Brettell
Name: Nathan Brettell
Comment: sd;or Brittle
Spouse: Lear Bunn
Spouse Comments: A
Marriage Date: 1787
Parish: Chrstch Blckfrs Rd

London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925 about Nathan Brettell
Name: Nathan Brettell
Admission Date: 24 Sep 1778
Master's Name: John How
Father's Name: Nathan Brettell

Looking at the image:
Nathan jr son of Nathan Brettell late of West Bromwich, Staffordshire, Farmer, is being apprenticed to John How a spectacle maker.

This Nathan Jr. is of the right age to be the one who marries Leah Bunn in 1787

dianel wrote:John's first marriage?:

Sighted marriage certificate on Ancestry tree:
Date: 16 Nov 1853 at Wesleyan Methodists Chapel, Smethwick
John Brettell 24 years Bachelor Iron Moulder Residence: New Street, Smethwick Father: Thomas Brettell (deceased) Smith
Ann Middleton 20 years Spinster Residence: New Street, Smethwick Father: James Middleton Iron Founder
Married by William Henry Sargent, Minister
Witnesses: James Middleton & Thomas Brettell

Marriages Dec 1853
Brettell John Kings N. 6c 815
Eales Lucy Kings N 6c 815
Middleton Ann Ks. Norton 6c 815
Vernon Joseph Kings N. 6c 815


Is it o'k to add marriage details NL?

dianel wrote:Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837 about Nathan Brettell
Name: Nathan Brettell
Comment: sd;or Brittle
Spouse: Lear Bunn
Spouse Comments: A
Marriage Date: 1787
Parish: Chrstch Blckfrs Rd

Is this on the IGI at all pls ?

added bapts for kids of Thomas and Catherine

the only one I cant find is John can anyone pls b abt 1829

Can someone check this on Ancestry please...

1861: Hill Street, Smethwick, Harborne (transcribed as `Brother`, but `Brettell` on image)
John Brettell Head 32 Iron Founder Employing 10 men, 8 boys b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Elizabeth Brettell Wife 35 b. Staffs., Smethwick
Elizabeth Noah 2 b. Staffs., Smethwick (Edward Noah 2 Son on image)
Samuel 1 b. Staffs., Smethwick
Ellen Nock Mother-in-law Wid 68 b. Salop, Newton
Caroline Hubbard Serv. 15 House Serv. b. Northamptonshire, Warden

It doesn't say Nock does it?

That is Edwards name mally Edward Nock Brettell

I think thats the lot - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ell-Family

Oh, well done, Mally! Thanks. I'm almost sure this lot links back to Nathan here:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =811464355
But I just can't quite verify the connection yet.