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Just looking at this Eliza on BCC...

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... rne-Family

I noticed that a tree on Ancestry has Henry Fulford as her husband.

There is this marriage on www.familysearch.org
Bride's name is listed as Dunn .. is this just an error?.. father is also Ephraim?

groom's name: Henry Fulford
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Eliza Dunn
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 09 Jun 1872
marriage place: Harborne, Stafford, England
groom's father's name: Joseph Fulford
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: Ephraim Dunn
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status: Single
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status: Single
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M00827-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1520000
reference number: it 29, p 49 , no 97

1881 census Hancox St, Warley Wigorn, Worcestershire, England
Henry Fulford,31,hd,married, labourer,
Eliza F,32,wife,
Mary,8,daughter
Henry,6, son
Joseph,2, son
Samuel,9months,son ... all born Warley Wigorn

1891 census Bristnall Fields, Warley, Worcestershire, England
Henry Fulford,39, gen.lab. born Birmingham,
Eliza,41,wife,
Mary,17, daughter
Henry,15, son
Joseph,12, son
Samuel,10, son
Thomas,4, son
Minnie,3, daughter
Lilly,5months, daughter.. others all born Warley

1901 census George Rd, Warley, Worcestershire, England
Henry Fulford,49, hd, married, black ash chem.worker born Packwood,
Eliza,51.wife,
Henry W ,26, son, unmarried, brickyrds lab,
Joseph,22, son,unmarried, lab. in chemicals,
Samuel,21, son, unmarried, brewery ??,
Thomas,15, son,unmarried, boiler/yard riveter,
Minnie,13, daughter
Lilian,9, daughter...others all born Warley

The tree on Ancestry has death for Henry Fulford ...29 Jan 1912..48 George Road Warley Oldbury
and burial for Eliza, his wife .....March 1904 Quinton Cemetery 487

The tree seems to have lots of info. for all their children too ( too much to add just now )

Just wanted to run this past you all to see if you think it is the Eliza on BCC
Thankyou
Expat

The image of the Indexes say Dunn...
My Mothers birth is registered wrong in 1941 mind...

Just to flag with you expat dont add anything from ancestry trees
pls check it out yourself before it gets added to Bcc.

It would be a good idea to add that marrage to look ups. I think it will help more.
The Fulford family were living in Bristnall fields in 1891 thats where the Dearne family were living earlier too!

Northern Lass wrote:Just to flag with you expat dont add anything from ancestry trees
pls check it out yourself before it gets added to Bcc.

No problem NL,
That's why I thought I'd run a thread on this .... I have come across alot of mistakes on people's trees. I won't add to BCC unless I can check it out first
Expat

Still trying to work through this one

I thought I would take another look at the marriage certficate for Hannah Dearne ( sister of Eliza), a copy of which I have...

16 Mar 1873...Parish Church Harborne, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Edward Evans (full age, bachelor, labourer)living in Harborne, father William Evans(labourer)...
marriage to Hannah Derne (full age, spinster) resident in Harborne, father Ephraim Derne(labourer).
Witnessed by Isaac Derne & Eliza Derne

I notice that there is a witness on there called Eliza Derne. If this is her sister then she can't be the one who married Henry Fulford as she would have married in 1872.
... and what about that Isaac Derne.... that could be her brother?
.. did Isaac marry an Eliza? .. I can't find him in census after 1871.... can't find a marriage for him?

1871..Bristnall Fields, Warley Wigorn, Staffordshire, England
Mary DEARNE(50) wid..nailer..b.Cakemore,
children..all single..Hannah(23) & Eliza(23) both nailers b.Bristnall,
Ephraim(20) glassworker,
Isaac(18) iron caster,
Henry(14) grate maker all born Bristnall,
Sarah(3) b. Langley

So ... could do with finding out a bit more on Isaac.... if he did marry an Eliza then that might be the one on that certficate?

We are dealing with Arctic conditions here at the moment .. it is -30 with windchill ....time to hibernate and do genealogy
Expat

I have also been looking to see if there was an Eliza Dunn with a father Ephraim Dunn.

I have found a few Eliza Dunns around the right age and in the right sort of area geographically...but not an Ephraim Dunn

Amongst the ones I have found ...there is an Eliza Dunn with parents Noah and Matilda
an Eliza with parents Frederick and Martha Dunn
and one with parents George and Maria Dunn

... I am sure there are more.

Beginning to think that I should just send off for that marriage certificate .... might be easiest
Expat

Hello Expat

I've done a lot of work on the Dearn's of Warley - they're related to my ex. A lot of them married at Christchurch in Quinton, PRs are loged with Birmingham Archives. I have come across a couple with the name Dunn, and Durne, instead of Dearn. So it is possible that the name was misheard and was written as Dunn or Durn by the vicar - do you know which church the marriage took place ?

Maggie

Maggie,
I don't know for sure which church ... that entry on 'familysearch' just says Harborne, Staffs.
Expat

1881; Moat Lane, Warley Wigorn, Worcester,

Edward EVANS 33 Oldbury, Worcester, Labourer
Hannah EVANS 33 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Labourer Wife
Sarah EVANS 7 Langley, Worcester,
Wm. EVANS 6 Langley, Worcester,
Elizabeth EVANS 4 Langley, Worcester,
Ephraim EVANS 3 Langley, Worcester,
Mary EVANS 10 m Langley, Worcester,
Alfred DAKIN Son U Male 15 Spon Lane, Worcester, Errand Boy At Gas Works


any one check the image for alfred is it dearn ?

looks like Dakin to me Pete

peterd wrote:1881; Moat Lane, Warley Wigorn, Worcester,

Edward EVANS 33 Oldbury, Worcester, Labourer
Hannah EVANS 33 Bristnall Fields, Worcester, Labourer Wife
Sarah EVANS 7 Langley, Worcester,
Wm. EVANS 6 Langley, Worcester,
Elizabeth EVANS 4 Langley, Worcester,
Ephraim EVANS 3 Langley, Worcester,
Mary EVANS 10 m Langley, Worcester,
Alfred DAKIN Son U Male 15 Spon Lane, Worcester, Errand Boy At Gas Works


any one check the image for alfred is it dearn ?

That Alfred Dakin is, I think the one on BCC here...
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... rne-Family

...son of Sarah Dearne....who was sister of Hannah Dearne ( married to Edward Evans above)

I think on that 1881 census he should be listed as nephew not son... though I know that it says son on the transcript
He appears to move around alot staying with different relatives over the years...
I have the following possible censuses for him...

1871 census
Church St.Harborne, Worcestershire, England
Arthur DAKIN (29) labourer at glassworks born Tileby, Leics.,
wife Sarah(28) born Oldbury,
Alfred(5) born Smethwick,
Arthur(4) born Oldbury,
William(5mths) born Smethwick

1891 census
12 Hill Row, Harborne, Staffordshire, England
Jemima Deakin,35, hd,unmarried, born Handsworth,
Alfred Deakin,27, brother,unmarried, ironwrks labourer born Smethwick,
Helen Hunt,14, unmarried, cousin born Smethwick,
..boarders....Charles Hy Berry, 19,unmarried, caster born Hartlebury,Worcs,
Fred Newman,20,unmarried, caster on railways, born Oxfrdshire,
Joseph Harwood,23,unmarried, caster on railways, born Knowle

1901 census
102 Rood End Rd, Oldbury, Worcestershire, England
Arthur Dakin,33,hd, married, gen.lab. b.Smethwick,
Minnie,29,wife, born Pembroke,Wales
children.. Mary M Dakin,8, born Ireland,
Arthur,5
& Minnie,3 ..both born Smethwick,
Alfred L, 8mths born Oldbury,
brothers..Alfred Dakin,36 & Thomas Dakin..both unmarried ,general labourers born Smethwick

1911 census
61, Langley Road, Langley Green, Oldbury, West Bromwich, Staffs.
Albert is a 34 year old married carter for a brewery, born in Droitwich 1877.
Mary Kettle, married 7 years, born Langley, Worcs. 1880.
Daughter Clara born 1905 Langley,
Dorothy Irene born 1906, Langley
Albert William born 1908 Langley.
George Ernest born 1910 Langley.
Also at this address Alfred Dakin born 1866, unmarried, boarder, Smethwick Staffs. worker..caustic.

Expat

I have added the Fulford family to BCC .. leaving Eliza as 'Unknown' for now until marriage can be checked.

OK to archive
Thanks
Expat