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smoky wrote:I'm looking for ancestors BATE and COLEY, from chain-making families in the Black Country [Stourbridge, Dudley, Cradley Heath]. Despite there being hundreds of them, or perhaps because of it, have hit a brick wall. The only thing I'm sure of is that Clarence BATE [my grandfather] married Dora Millicent COLEY [my grandmother] during or just after WW1. Their children were named Alan, Brian [my father] and Anne. Clarence was one of 12 or 15 children. Dora had a brother Tom and a sister Verena, and possibly others. Sadly, all are now deceased.
Is anyone looking for the same family? Or tips on how to start from so little information?
Sally

What a shame that is a regis office one as you can't look those up at archives
they have to be ordered from the GRO or the regis office local to the area

do we have a dob for Clarence?
do you have his dob and any other info we can add him to our Bcc tree then

Hi
They must have both been around for the 1901 census so you could start there.
Clarence should not be a problem as it is such an unusual name and you know that he came from a chainmaking family.
Perhaps you know when he died? And how old he was?
People on here will be happy to post the census information I am sure - unless you want to find it yourself? If that is the case then you will need to pay to view the census images (or get to a library or history centre where you can do it for free).
You would need the marriage certificate to be really certain but I think you could move on without it if you prefer.

I found him in 1901 Tanhouse Lane Cradley. The family were all born Cradley and Josiah was a Blacksmith:-

Name Age
Josiah Bate 43
Nancy Bate 42
Samuel Bate 19
George Bate 17
Henry Bate 16
Rhoda Bate 14
Annie Bate 12
Clarence Bate 7
Fredk Bate 5
Wesley Bate 1

HTH Linell.

The Bate family are all on here going way back to 1780:-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ate-Family

Linell.

1911
BATE, Josiah Head Married M 53 1858 Chain Maker Iron Worcestershire Cradley
BATE, Nancy Wife Married
32 years F 52 1859 Worcestershire Cradley
BATE, Rhoda Daughter Single F 24 1887 Hollow Ware Trade And Bucket's Worker Worcestershire Cradley
BATE, Annie Daughter Single F 22 1889 Tailoress Worcestershire Cradley
BATE, Clarence Son Single M 17 1894 Student- Teacher Worcestershire Cradley
BATE, Frederick Son Single M 15 1896 Labourer General Worcestershire Cradley
WILLETTS, Rhoda Mother In Law Widow F 76 1835 Worcestershire Cradley
11 Children Born Alive 2Died
Tan House Lane Cradley Cradley Heath Staffordshire
Worcestershire

16 Sep 1922 St Peter Cradley
Frederick William BATE 27 B Chain Striker 6 Tanhouse Lane Cradley Father Josiah Bate Chain Maker
Margaret HILL 24 S Hollow ware Maker 4 Chapel House Lane Cradley Father John Hill Miner
Wit; Wesly Bate Ruth Woodhouse

1878
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WILLETTS * Nancy BATE Josiah Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/004/349
WILLITTS * Nancy BATE Josiah Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/004/349

connected up
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =570050061

Noah hingleys made the chain for the titanic if you put titanic in search top right hand corner thread will come up that mentions it

also some video in the gallery section on chain making if your intrested

viewforum.php?f=84

and here

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=7396

BATE: Clarence was a Teacher, and his father was a Blacksmith. He, Clarry, won a scholarship to grammar school [Halesowen?] and later went on to teach at Rugby Low School. I recognise a number of names and know that this is the right family thread. There is a family legend that BATE men in Cradley worked on the shipping chain for the 'Titanic' a hundred years ago. I know that this is unlikely to be recorded in any way anywhere, but could the anchor chains have been made in Cradley?

The Firm who made the Anchor for the Titanic was 'Noah Hingley' of Netherton Dudley, a lot of local men worked there.


Linell.

linell wrote:I found him in 1901 Tanhouse Lane Cradley. The family were all born Cradley and Josiah was a Blacksmith:-

Name Age
Josiah Bate 43
Nancy Bate 42
Samuel Bate 19
George Bate 17
Henry Bate 16
Rhoda Bate 14
Annie Bate 12
Clarence Bate 7
Fredk Bate 5
Wesley Bate 1

HTH Linell.

can someone post the full info on this pls

1901
BATE, Josiah Head Married M 43 1858 Chainmaker
Cradley
Worcestershire
BATE, Nancy Wife Married F 42 1859
Cradley
Worcestershire
BATE, Samuel Son Single M 19 1882 Chainmaker
Cradley
Worcestershire
BATE, George Son Single M 17 1884 Chainmaker
Cradley
Worcestershire
BATE, Henry Son Single M 16 1885 Blacksmith's Striker
Cradley
Worcestershire
BATE, Rhoda Daughter Single F 14 1887
Cradley
Worcestershire
BATE, Annie Daughter F 12 1889
Cradley
Worcestershire
BATE, Clarence Son M 7 1894
Cradley
Worcestershire
BATE, Fredk Son M 5 1896
Cradley
Worcestershire
BATE, Wesley Son M 1 1900
Cradley
Worcestershire

Tanhouse Lane, Cradley

thanks

ok can anyone add census and kids pls to Bcc

I will add.
Jo

Added here, census and children
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =404332417

extra census
1881. Tanhouse Lane Cradley
Josiah Bate, head, 24, Cahin Maker, Halesowen
Ann, wife, 23, Picker Clay
Alfred T, son, 1
All other born Colley Gate

1891. Tanhouse Lane, Cradley
Josiah Bate, head, 33, Chainmaker, Halesowen
Nancy, wife, 32,
Samuel, son, 9,
George, son, 7
Henry, son, 6,
Rhoda, daur, 4,
Annie, daur, 2
All others born Cradley


Not added children for Clarence...