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Hi everyone, could I please have some help again in finding the place of death or any info at all on baby David Westwood born about Jan.1880. He would have been my grandmother, Sarah Jane Westwood"™s brother. Baby David"™s father was Joseph Westwood b.4th Nov. 1852, a Blacksmith. His mother was Mary Westwood, nee Smith. B.1851. I was told as a eight year old by my nan that her family went to America (that"™s why they don"™t show up on the 1881 census) and from some searching some time ago, I found a Joseph Westwood, Blacksmith, who travelled on his own on the SS Helvitia and arrived in NY 23.6.1879. I also found a Mary Westwood, with Benj age 8 yrs and baby David infant, on the SS Nevada and arrived NY 27.3.1880. In the NY 1880 census they are at 126 President St. Troy 13th Ward. At sometime, they came back to England, but I can"™t find them on the return ship. Why they returned I don"™t know, did David die in America and was that the reason, or did he die in England ? My grandmother was born, 28. 3. 1889 Near Wrights Lane, R. Regis, so they didn"™t last long in America for what ever reason. Any help or thoughts on this would be much appreciated, many Thanks jonboy.
PS many Thanks to everyone who contributed to my first post about the 4 dead siblings on the 1911 cens.

Is this the family Jonboy:-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ood-Family

Here are some birth registrations for David Westwood around 1880:-

Births Mar 1876
Westwood David Dudley 6c 29
Births Mar 1878
Westwood David Dudley 6c 123
Births Dec 1879
Westwood David Dudley 6c 139
Births Dec 1882
Westwood David Dudley 6c 4

There is only one death:-

Deaths Sep 1881
WESTWOOD David 22 Dudley 6c 25

You could send for the certificate and see if it is the right David or not.

HTH Linell.

linell wrote:
There is only one death:-

Deaths Sep 1881
WESTWOOD David 22 Dudley 6c 25

You could send for the certificate and see if it is the right David or not.

HTH Linell.

Isn't he way too old?

Oh yes Kate, sorry Jonboy, I missed the age of 22. Maybe he didn't die in Rowley Regis then

Linell.

Hi Linell, Yes that's the family on BCC, BUT I don't think we have the right wife for Joseph I've always had Mary nee Smith as only one year older than Joseph and I'm sure she was b,1851, not, "about 19th March 1871" as it's got for her.
The birth you have found, David 1879 dudley 6C 139 could well be him though as he was 6 mths old in the 1st June 1880 New York census. But I do wonder if he died in America and that was why they came back home to England - if he did how would I find that death ?
jonboy

Jonboy where did you get that dob for David from the bible you have?

if david not on 1891 census and he has died then if in bc area poss one of these

WESTWOOD David 1881 - Tipton West Midlands Sandwell Register Office TIP/58/303
WESTWOOD David 1882 - West Bromwich South West West Midlands Sandwell Register Office WBSW/42/262
WESTWOOD David 1885 - Rowley Regis West Midlands Sandwell Register Office RR/44/2
WESTWOOD David 1886 - Rowley Regis West Midlands Sandwell Register Office RR/45/100
WESTWOOD David 1890 - Sedgley West Midlands Dudley Register Office SEG/089/461

Northern Lass wrote:Jonboy where did you get that dob for David from the bible you have?

poss here

1880 Troy, Rensselaer, New York

Joseph WESTWOOD Self 28 Blacksmith
Mary WESTWOOD Wife 29 Keeping House
Benjamin WESTWOOD Son 8 At School
David WESTWOOD Son 6M


so if census is june poss dec c1879 birth

jonboy wrote:Hi Linell, Yes that's the family on BCC, BUT I don't think we have the right wife for Joseph I've always had Mary nee Smith as only one year older than Joseph and I'm sure she was b,1851, not, "about 19th March 1871" as it's got for her.
The birth you have found, David 1879 dudley 6C 139 could well be him though as he was 6 mths old in the 1st June 1880 New York census. But I do wonder if he died in America and that was why they came back home to England - if he did how would I find that death ?
jonboy

19th March 1871 is the date entered for their marriage, it says born abt 1852 for Mary.

I think it would be very hard to find the death of a small child in America - and you don't even know if he did die there. The best hope seems to be to find the return boat trip and see if he came back, but that won't be easy either.

jonboy wrote:Hi Linell, Yes that's the family on BCC, BUT I don't think we have the right wife for Joseph I've always had Mary nee Smith as only one year older than Joseph and I'm sure she was b,1851, not, "about 19th March 1871" as it's got for her.
The birth you have found, David 1879 dudley 6C 139 could well be him though as he was 6 mths old in the 1st June 1880 New York census. But I do wonder if he died in America and that was why they came back home to England - if he did how would I find that death ?
jonboy

We Have Mary as born 1851 what you are seeing is the marriage boxes

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =977794616

Hi everyone, thanks for your comments, to answer Northern Lass about Davids birth date, like peterd had said, it was from the 1880 NY cens. Unfortunately there is nothing at all in my bible about David, birth or death, in fact only births are in it - my gparents were very superstitious, it may have been a bad luck thing, like cutting your nails on Sunday, putting shoes on a table, always buy the lucky heather from the gypsy who calls etc. I only remember as an 8 year old my nan saying that a baby had died and how sad it was ! Now she may have been on about her little brother David or my granddads siblings, the 4 on the 1911 census in my last post. Of cause, I didn't know much about death at that age and I don't remember much else what was said, if anything.
Yes gardener, if only I could find the passenger list for the return journey, that would be the key.
Sorry about the confusion of Mary's date - I see now it was marriage I picked, not birth.

I have added David to Bcc

I am going to move this to Brickwalls hopefully someone may come along with the info