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I am looking at the family of Moses and Phoebe Hampton (married 1794) at the moment and trying to put together what happened to their children. I saw some discussions (2008) regarding a Holloway will and an Enoch Hampton (blacksmith) which mentioned them. There seemed to be 3 sets of parents with Enochs: Charles/Eliz with a younger Enoch 1811, then James/Mary 1804, Moses and Phoebe 1805. IGI has deceased for the James/Mary child though - which is confusing. Please tell me if I have missed something in the discussion.

Thanks
C

Are Moses and Phoebe on the 1841 Census If so there children could be living near by, try searching the Census Page. As for burials on the IGI a lot of them are incorrect, just added by someone who finds a burial for a child of the same name.

Linell.

this is on IGI submitted so would need to be verified

MOSES HAMPTON
Marriages:
Spouse: PHEBE FISHER
Marriage: 22 APR 1794 St Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Record submitted


Children of Moses and Phebe from IGI

JOHN HAMPTON Birth: 22 JUN 1803 St Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: MOSES HAMPTON
Mother: PHEBE Form submitted


NOAH HAMPTON
Christening: 04 OCT 1801 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Death: 26 SEP 1802 -----------------------------------------------------------this would need tbc

Parents:
Father: MOSES HAMPTON
Mother: PHEBE
Extracted


DANIEL HAMPTON Christening: 11 JAN 1807 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Death: 26 APR 1808 --------------------------------------------needs tbc
Parents:
Father: MOSES HAMPTON Mother: PHEBE Extracted


ENOCH HAMPTON Birth:
Christening: 05 MAY 1805 St Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: MOSES HAMPTON
Mother: PHEBE Form submitted


HANNAH HAMPTON Christening: 16 AUG 1795 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: MOSES HAMPTON Mother: PHEBE
Extracted


NANCY HAMPTON Christening: 26 MAY 1799 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Death: 19 FEB 1801 --------------------------------------needs tbc
Parents:
Father: MOSES HAMPTON
Mother: PHOEBE
Extracted


SOLOMON HAMPTON Christening: 13 NOV 1808 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Death: 08 MAR 1812 --------------------------------needs tbc
Parents:
Father: MOSES HAMPTON
Mother: PHEBE Extracted


MOSES HAMPTON Christening: 06 OCT 1811 St Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: MOSES HAMPTON
Mother: PHEBE Form submitted


ZACHARIAH HAMPTON Christening: 20 AUG 1797 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: MOSES HAMPTON
Mother: PHEBE Extracted

Thanks. The Hamptons seem to be on Netherton Hill which is why I was curious about Enoch. Phebe is still there in 1841 with son Moses. Moses and subsequent family also listed as Netherton Hill in 1861 with who I believe to be widowed sister Hannah Rollason (previously Hampton) living next door (dep on how street numbers went).

Have only recently returned to this one but sadly I have far too many gaps and guesses at the moment. I was working around this marriage from 25 Dec 1839 St Th:

Joseph Turner widower full age miner
Hannah Rollason minor both from Netherton

fathers: John Turner deceased nailor; Joseph Rollason deceased miner

witnesses: Moses and Hannah Hampton

The "Moses" name was of interest in that the couple's first child was Moses Turner. These witnesses could be the bride's mother and either uncle or grandfather Moses.

There is a Joseph Rolinson/Hannah Hampton marriage 24 October 1814 which would fit - I've not had chance to check to see if the witnesses help here. I've not found Hannah Rollason's christening either. (That's why I turned to looking at the Hamptons - and anyone calling their children Moses or Phoebe en route.)

Of the Hampton children listed, Moses is visible on censuses in Netherton, while Zachariah moves to the Bristol area. I have yet to confirm Hannah with dtr Phebe Golding (previously Rolinson) in 1861 is the "right" one.

My interest stems from the Turners - and a marriage link with a Griffiths family on BCC.

Is this Joseph and Hannah Netherton Hill 1861:-


JOSEPH TURNER Head Married 33 yrs
HANNAH M. TURNER Wife Married 31 yrs
SARAH J. TURNER Daughter 12 yrs
RUTH TURNER " 8 yrs
MARY TURNER " 4 yrs
EMMA TURNER " 2 mth

One Moses here as a Boarder 1861 Netherton Hill Croft


SAMUEL DANKS Head Married 46 yrs
ROSANNAH DANKS Wife Married 49 yrs
SAMUEL DANKS Son Unmarried 24 yrs
SELINA DANKS Daughter Unmarried 21 yrs
REUBEN DANKS Son Unmarried 18 yrs
ELIZA DANKS Daughter Unmarried 1 ? yr
WILLIAM DANKS Son 11 yrs
ARTHUR DANKS " 9 yrs
MOSES HAMPTON Boarder Unmarried 40 yrs


Moses and Elizabeth 1861 Netherton Hill
MOSES HAMPTON Head Married 49 yrs
ELIZABETH HAMPTON Wife Married 46 yrs
ANN HAMPTON Daughter 11 yrs
PHOEBE HAMPTON " 9 yrs
ELIZA HAMPTON Daughter 6 yrs
HENRY HAMPTON Son 3 yrs


Linell.

Also 1861 Netherton Hill all on the Census next to Moses and Elizabeth:-


ENOCH GOLDING Head Married 29 yrs
FANNY GOLDING Wife Married 28 yrs
SARAH A. GOLDING Daughter 6 yrs
JANE GOLDING " 4 yrs
ELIZA GOLDING " 1 yr


WILLIAM GOLDING Head Married 35 yrs
PHOEBE GOLDING Wife Married 33 yrs
STEPHEN GOLDING Son 11 yrs
HANNAH GOLDING Daughter 9 yrs
JOHN GOLDING Son 7 yrs
JAMES GOLDING " 4 yrs
HANNAH ROLLASON Mother in Law Widow 65 yrs

Linell.

Yes - the Golding/Hampton neighbours is what caught my eye and it does look likely. Phebe's marriage (1849) might confirm.

This is a different Moses Hampton (born 1821) with the Danks family - father Benjamin from memory.

Joseph and Hannah Turner in 1861 are at 60 Netherton Hill with:

Moses 20, Eliza 16, Lucy 14, Sarah, 11, Phoebe, 5, Joseph 3

Just trying to start adding some of this

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =631784853

but getting a bit confused that 1861 doesn't look correct
if Joseph Turner and Hannah Rollason marry in 1939
1839
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
TURNER Joseph ROLLASON Hannah Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/003/49

then age 33 on 1861 is incorrect

there is another couple with a son moses

1861 next door to Goldings

1861 Netherton Hill
Joseph Turner head married 48 coal miner
Hannah Turner wife 39 nailer
Moses Turner son unm 20 nailer
Elizah Turner dau 16 unm nailer
Lucy Turner dau 13 nailer
Sarah Turner dau 11
Phoebe Turner dau 5
Joseph Turner son 3
all born netherton

next door is Benjamin Golding and Ann

Ok added Hannah and Joseph here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =643293626

can we post the 1841 pls for phebe and moses
So is he unm in 1841 and then marries here
1848
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HAMPTON Moses SHAW Elizabeth Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/009/108

linell wrote:Also 1861 Netherton Hill all on the Census next to Moses and Elizabeth:-


ENOCH GOLDING Head Married 29 yrs
FANNY GOLDING Wife Married 28 yrs
SARAH A. GOLDING Daughter 6 yrs
JANE GOLDING " 4 yrs
ELIZA GOLDING " 1 yr


WILLIAM GOLDING Head Married 35 yrs
PHOEBE GOLDING Wife Married 33 yrs
STEPHEN GOLDING Son 11 yrs
HANNAH GOLDING Daughter 9 yrs
JOHN GOLDING Son 7 yrs
JAMES GOLDING " 4 yrs
HANNAH ROLLASON Mother in Law Widow 65 yrs

Linell.

So that looks like Hannah Hampton with dau phebe
1849
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GOLDING William ROLISON Phoebe Dudley, St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill Dudley Register Office 203/001/152

Trying to group this up a little...
Marriage Looked up by RF thank you!


3rd December 1848. St Thomas, Dudley
Moses Hampton, 37, B, Nailer, Netherton, Moses Hampton, deceased, Miner
Elizabeth Shaw, 34, S, Netherton, Richard Shaw, Miner
Banns
X of both
Witnesses:- X of Samuel Spittle. X of Rosannah Weaver


1851. Upper Netherton, Dudley
Moses Hampton, head, 39, Nailer
Elizabeth, wife, 36, Dudley Wood
Ann, daur, 1
Mary Shaw, Mother in law, Mar, 72?,
Eliza Shaw, visitor, 30, Nailer
All others born Netherton

1861. Netherton Hill, Dudley
Moses Hampton, head, 49, Nailer
Elizabeth, wife, 46,
Ann, daur, 11
Phoebe, daur, 9
Eliza, daur, 6,
Henry W, son, 3
All born Netherton

1871. 16 Spittles Fold, Dudley
Moses Hampton, head, 64, Horse nail maker
Elizabeth, wife, 55,
Ann, daur, 20, Nailer
Phoebe, daur, 18, Nailer
Eliza, daur, 15, Nailer
Henry, son, 13, Nailer
All born Netherton

1881. Spittles Fold. Dudley
Moses Hampton, head, Mar, 69 Horse Nail Maker
Ann, daur, 31, Nail Maker
Pheobe, daur, 29, Nail Maker
Eliza, daur, 25, Nail Maker
Henry, son, 23, Nail Maker
All born Netherton

1891. 16a Spittle Fold, Dudley
Moses Hampton. Head, W, 79, Invalid
Pheobe, daur, 34, household duties
Eliza, daur, 32, Nail Maker
All born Netherton

Added here on BCC
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =186195549

Theres a lot of Spittles around on census so may be a connection as Samuel Spittle as witness?

carolina wrote:Have only recently returned to this one but sadly I have far too many gaps and guesses at the moment. I was working around this marriage from 25 Dec 1839 St Th:

Joseph Turner widower full age miner
Hannah Rollason minor both from Netherton

fathers: John Turner deceased nailor; Joseph Rollason deceased miner

witnesses: Moses and Hannah Hampton

The "Moses" name was of interest in that the couple's first child was Moses Turner. These witnesses could be the bride's mother and either uncle or grandfather Moses.

There is a Joseph Rolinson/Hannah Hampton marriage 24 October 1814 which would fit - I've not had chance to check to see if the witnesses help here. I've not found Hannah Rollason's christening either. (That's why I turned to looking at the Hamptons - and anyone calling their children Moses or Phoebe en route.)

Of the Hampton children listed, Moses is visible on censuses in Netherton, while Zachariah moves to the Bristol area. I have yet to confirm Hannah with dtr Phebe Golding (previously Rolinson) in 1861 is the "right" one.

My interest stems from the Turners - and a marriage link with a Griffiths family on BCC.

Rocky Fowler looked this up too, as what you have...

25th December 1839. St Thomas, Dudley
Joseph Turner, Of Full Age, W, Miner, Netherton Parish of Dudley, John Turner deceased, Nailer
Hannah Rollason, Minor, S, Netherton, Joseph Rollason, Miner
Banns
X of both
Witnesses:- X of Moses Hampton. X of Hannah Hampton

1841. Griffins Buildings, Dudley
Joseph Turner, 25,Miner
Hannah, 20,
Moses, 6 months
All born County

1851. Upper Netherton, Dudley
Joseph Turner, head, 38, Miner
Hannah, wife, 30
Ames?, son, 10 (possibly Moses?)
Eliza, daur,
luasena?, daur, 3, (possibly Lucy?)
Sarah, daur, 1
All born Netherton

1861. Netherton Hill, Dudley
Joseph Turner, head, 48, Coal Miner
Hannah, wife, 39,
Moses, son, 20, Builder
Eliza, daur, 16, Nailer
Lucy, daur, 13, Nailer
Sarah, daur, 11,
Phoebe, daur, 5,
Joseph, son, 3,
All born Netherton

1871. 34 St Andrews Street, Dudley
Joseph Turner, head, 58, Coal Miner
Hannah, wife, 51,
Phoebe, daur, 16, house work
Joseph, son, 13, labourer
John, son, 8
\Noah Davies, Lodger, 24, Labourer, Rowley Regis
Sarah, wife, 21,
All others born Netherton

1881. St Andrews Street, Dudley
Hannah, Turner, Head, w, 60,
John, son, 19, Bricklayer

Nextdoor
Noah Davies, head, 34, Chain maker, Shropshire
Sarah, wife, 31
Adia, daur, 8,
Joseph, son, 6,
Bertha, daur, 4,
Allis, daur, 2
Harry, son, 6 months
All others born Netherton

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1870
DAVIS Noah TURNER Sarah Tipton, St Paul Sandwell Register Office 40/1/300

Added Joseph Turner here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =998650283

Noah Davies here and I will add marriage to look ups
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=16451192

1841. Netherton Hill, Dudley
Hannah Rollason, 45, Nailer
Phebe, 13, Nailer
Both born in County

1851. Upper Netherton
Hannah Rolason, head, W, 55,
William Golding, son in law, 25, Miner
Phebe Golding, wife, 22, nailer
Stephen, son, 1
All born Netherton

1861. Netherton Hill, Dudley
William Golding, head, 35, Stone Miner
Phoebe, wife, 33, Nailer
Stephen, son, 11,labourer
Hannah, daur, 9,
John, son, 7
James, son, 4
Hannah Rollason, mother in law, 65
All born Netherton

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1849
GOLDING William ROLISON Phoebe Dudley, St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill Dudley Register Office 203/001/152

Added Hannah Hampton
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =803489335

William Golding here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =989024137

Adding as notes to check tomorrow...
On BCC we have 3 Enochs born around the same time.
2 are the same and they have the same father and mothers, James Hampton and Mary Heathcock. They are submitted so needs checking, 2 dates,
5th August 1804 and 19th August 1804 both St Thomas, Dudley. One has Enoch dies 1st December 1805

The other, father Moses Hampton mother Phebe Fisher, needs checking as submitted.
The Enoch in the will married Maria Holloway. On BCC we have they married 2nd May.

Pr's have
2nd March 1829. St Marys Kingswinford
Enoch Hampton otp & Maria Holloway otp
Witnesses:- Hannah Rollason. Thomas Walker

(Hannah Rollason as witness, is that her on 1841 census above post?)

The Will thread, Enoch as Blacksmith too
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1324&hilit=enoch+hampton