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Just been reading this and although it was published 24/06/2004, I thought it might be of interest to some of our members?

.............Rowley Regis family bible

That's a great story San, let's hope someone claims it, wish one of my family Bibles would turn up Best Wishes linell.

This is brilliant let's ( when tribal is back on maintenance stuff prob) add this grove family to the tree..

Start at the beginning and work down thru the article
maybe retitle this the Grove bible Mally?
wot u think?

shame not to have these people on the tree.

there a poss we could trace a decendent as there enough info i think ?

Just adding Albert now... we need to confirm everything as we go will post link in a min...

dive in everyone!

1878
GROVE Albert Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/040/22

1874
DAVIES Annie Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/098/29

need a marriage for these two confirmed

Here is the link over to someone else to fill in ....

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=57026093

I have a similar Bible for our Wood family, NL, so lucky that it didn't disappear in house clearances etc. It's more battered that the one in the Bugle, has lost its spine and clasp and has burns and candle fat on the cover - local colour! The family members each wrote their entry at the beginning, parents and children. Interestingly the entries don't always correspond to what's on the certificates, dates and places. I have an Edwardian postcard album as well with family messages which also miraculously escaped the great shipwreck of history....

Marvellous snapshots of actual family history aren't they I don't have anything like that.
To be treasured I think.

Here is the marriage now it is a registry office so wonder if the blessing was in the chapel and then onto the regis office for the official bit.
How did it work
I thought as long as the place was licensed for ceremony and the guy from the registry office was there it was ok.
So should say the name of Providence Chapel but it doesnt

1902
DAVIS Annie GROVE Albert Dudley Register Office Dudley Register Office DRO/022/32

Poss Marriage 1862?

GROVE * Samuel FOLKES Caroline Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/020/379
GROVE * Samuel FOWLKES Caroline Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/020/379


1871: Long Lane, Hill, Worc

Samuel Grove 31 Head
Caroline Grove 30 Wife
Ellen Grove 7 Dau
David Grove 3 Son
Alice Grove 1 Dau Long Lane, Worc


1881: Long Lane, The Hill, Worcestershire

Samuel Grove 41 H M Rivet Maker Rowley Regis, Staffs
Caroline Grove 40 Wife Halesowen, Worcester
David Grove 13 Son Ass Rivet Maker
Sarah Grove 9 Dau
Annie Grove 7 Dau (Witness?)
Samuel Grove 5 Son
Albert Grove 3 Son
Phoebe A. Grove 1 Dau
all others born H/Owen


1891: Long Lane, The Hill Worc

Samuel Grove 51 Head Rivet Maker Blackheath, Staffs
Caroline Grove 51 Wife Long Lane, Worc
Sarah Grove 19 Dau S Dom Servant Long Lane, Worc
Samuel Grove 15 Son S Brickmaker Long Lane, Worc
Albert Grove 10 Son Long Lane, Worc
Ernest Grove 7 Son Long Lane, Worc

1901: Long Lane, Hill, Worc

Caroline Grove 60 Head Wid
Albert Grove 23 Son S Steel Tube machinist
Ernest W Grove 17 Son Carter for Corn Merchant


Marriage 1902

DAVIS Annie GROVE Albert Dudley Register Office Dudley Register Office DRO/022/32

The witnesses to the marriage are given as Annie Grove and Jessie Davis

Caroline Grove is said to have died 1st April ? aged 72

Death Jun qtr 1913
Grove Caroline 72 Kings N 6c 72

The Grove Family are a very old Rowley Family and have numerous mentions in background information of introduction to Rowley Parish Register records.Earliest is Mary Grove gentlewoman buried 1650 and Grove family are noted as gentry for several generations. Vicar of Rowley Mr. William Turton married a Margery Grove in 1659 ( she is noted as daughter of Mrs. Russell of Rowley). In 1663 Mr. Thomas Grove was one of three gentlemen summoned by the Heralds who disclaimed right to bear arms and his name is also listed on Poll Tax Roll in 1663 and a John Grove Solicitor at Law is also listed.
In 1692 Mr. Samuel Lee married Mrs. Catherine Grove
In 1703 Francis Eld esq. married Mary Grove and in 1710 Rev.Thomas Saunders married Frances Grove
In 1707 Mr John Grove ,Lawyer and his wife Barbara were living at Rowley
In Rowley Regis a History by Edward Chitham :-
in 1539 Henry V111 had a survey of undertaken to determine which inhabitants would declare arms they had in preparation for possible war with Spain. Fifteen men of Rowley claimed to have weapons stored at home including John Grove
In 18th Century it is noted that at Rowley Hall the Grove Family owned silver plate and Mr. John Grove would put on his riding habit and best pair of boots and then go hunting across the hills with his pack of hounds.

thanks for that mumbles be interesting to see if they connect to this lot.....and my Mary Grove who married John Tibbetts

Ok just trying to pull out who these people mentioned in the article are

Who is this Samuel Sturman? b abt 1854 dies 1916?
is he connected to Samuel Struman who marries Lucy Foukes in 1909?

and who is Lucy?

and also who is that Annie Foulkes dau of mrs Struman?

this looks like Samuels death

Deaths Jun 1891
GROVE Samuel 52 Stourbridge 6c 92

here the marriage

Marriages Mar 1909

FOULKES Lucy Lydia Dudley 6c 114
STURMAN Samuel Dudley 6c 114

also found this

STURMAN Annie M TAYLOR John 1909 Rowley Regis, St Giles West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 18/10/376

STURMAN Samuel FOULKES Lucy L 1909 Dudley Register Office West Midlands Dudley Register Office DRO/028/193

Yes we have the marriage Pete - didnt have her name as Lydia so nice one!

But who are they!
that name Foulkes/Folkes etc
she must connect to Caroline or maybe not I dont think that is the samuel mentioned it just seemed odd the connection

That Annie is I think a dau of Samuel Sturman b 1854 dies 1916 and is mentioned in the bible
so I will put him on.
I think they are living near taylors on an early census with wife Hannah Maria?

Ok can we sort of wade thru the detail on that article and pick out those mentioned....

So we dont get too confused as we pick em out open up a new thread for that name...so Samuel sturman b 1854 is being opened please run with that name on there ta


In the meantime if anyone can find out who this Lucy Lydia Foulkes is and Samuel Sturman she marries