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Hello everyone
a long time since I posted anything, but other things have taken me away from genealogy for a while!
I know that a lot of us on the forum share a common Shakespeare ancestry, so wondered if anyone may be able to help with a query I have recently received from someone:

I have been given the following details:

Daniel Shakespeare born 1864, Dudley. His son Albert, born 1904, Dudley, married Sylvia Dudley (ie surname Dudley!).

I have the following from freeBMD:
Daniel Jun 1863 Dudley 6c 123
Albert Jun 1904 Dudley 6c 109
(Both births)
And the marriage Albert Shakespeare/ Sylvia M Dudley, Sep 1931, Dudley 6b 2432


I have been unable to find Daniel in the 1881 census, for whatever reason, can anyone locate him in 1861, 1871, or any of the censuses from 1891 onwards (1911 would be good as his son Albert would be with him), but 1871 would presumably find him with his parents?


Steve

1871 census transcription details for: Vine Street, Dudley
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 3013 Folio: 108 Page: 32

Reg. District: Dudley Sub District: Dudley
Parish: Dudley Enum. District: 25
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Dudley
Address: Vine Street, Dudley County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation, Where Born
SHAKESPEAR, Thomas Head M 42 1829 Staffordshire
SHAKESPEAR, Margaret Wife F 42 1829 Cheshire
SHAKESPEAR, Joseph Son M 23 1848 Staffordshire
SHAKESPEAR, Thomas Son M 21 1850 Staffordshire
SHAKESPEAR, Sarah A Daughter-In-Law F 21 1850 Staffordshire
SHAKESPEAR, William Son M 17 1854 Staffordshire
SHAKESPEAR, Margaret Daughter F 14 1857 Staffordshire
SHAKESPEAR, John Son M 10 1861 Staffordshire
SHAKESPEAR, Daniel Son M 8 1863 Worcestershire
SHAKESPEAR, Alfred Son M 5 1866 Worcestershire
SHAKESPEAR, Aurthur Son M 3 1868 Staffordshire

1881 census transcription details for: 67, Albert Rd, Willesden
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 1365 Folio: 36 Page: 66

Reg. District: Hendon Sub District: Willesden
Parish: Willesden Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 67, Albert Rd, Willesden
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SONES, Ebenezer Head Married M 37 1844 House Painter Marylebone Middlesex
SONES, Eliza Wife Married F 39 1842 Wenhaston Suffolk
SONES, George Son Single M 5 1876 Marylebone Middlesex
SONES, Alice M Daughter Single F 3 1878 Willesden Middlesex
SONES, Elizabeth M Daughter Single F 0 1881 Willesden Middlesex
MORGAN, John Boarder Married M 40 1841 Musician Warwick Warwickshire
HAND, William C Boarder Single M 20 1861 Dioramic Assistant (O) Wolverhampton Staffordshire
CARSE, John M Boarder Single M 21 1860 Professional Skater (Performer) Edinburgh Scotland
SHAKESPEARE, Daniel Lodger Single M 21 1860 Iron Foundry Moulder Dodley Staffordshire

Wow Mark, that was quick, thank you.
I think that 1871 Vine St Dudley one is him.
Will look now to see what else I have on this (ie his fathers) family.
Steve
ps have enjoyed reading yours articles/ letters etc in the Black Country Bugle over recent months

1891 census transcription details for: 72, Wood Street, Dudley, Low Town
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2295 Folio: 140 Page: 53

Reg. District: Dudley Sub District: Dudley
Parish: Dudley Enum. District: 22
Ecclesiastical District: St Augustine City/Municipal Borough: Dudley
Address: 72, Wood Street, Dudley, Low Town
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HETCHER, Joseph Head Married M 41 1850 Engineer Stationery Dudley Worcestershire
HETCHER, Harriet Wife Married F 39 1852 Engineer Stationery Dudley Worcestershire
HETCHER, Harriet Daughter Single F 15 1876 Tailoress Dudley Worcestershire
HETCHER, Joseph Son Single M 13 1878 Helps In Glass Works Dudley Worcestershire
HETCHER, Miriam Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar Dudley Worcestershire
HETCHER, Wallace Son M 7 1884 Scholar Dudley Worcestershire
HETCHER, Isaac Son M 5 1886 Scholar Dudley Worcestershire
HETCHER, Lilly M Daughter F 2 1889 Scholar Dudley Worcestershire
SHAKESPEARE, Daniel Brother In Law Single M 28 1863 Blacksmith Dudley Worcestershire
SHAKESPEARE, Alfred Brother In Law Single M 25 1866 Blacksmith Dudley Worcestershire

1901 census transcription details for: 59, Back Of Church Street, Heath Town
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 2688 Folio: 13 Page: 18

Reg. District: Wolverhampton Sub District: Willenhall
Parish: Heath Town Enum. District: 31
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity Heath Town City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 59, Back Of Church Street, Heath Town
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SHAKESPEARE, Daniel Head Married M 37 1864 Blacksmith Harts Hill Staffordshire
SHAKESPEARE, Fanny L Wife Married F 32 1869 Kates Hill Staffordshire
SHAKESPEARE, Arthur W Son Single M 8 1893 Wolverhampton Staffordshire
SHAKESPEARE, Damiel Son Single M 5 1896 Brierly Hill Staffordshire
SHAKESPEARE, Annie M Daughter Single F 3 1898 Dudley Worcestershire


I can't find Albert's family in 1911 although they were still alive.

His mother, Fanny Louisa Webb, died in 1940

Civil Registration event: Death
Name: SHAKESPEARE, Fanny L
Registration District: Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1940
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 72
Volume No: 6D
Page No: 1080

and his father in 1930

Civil Registration event: Death
Name: SHAKESPEARE, Daniel
Registration District: Dudley
County: Staffordshire
Year of Registration: 1930
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 69
Volume No: 6B
Page No: 1043

There is an Albert living in a Poor House.

1911 census transcription details for: Longnor House 93 Queens Cross Dudley
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN17431 RG78PN1067 RD372 SD4 ED8 SN100

Reg. District: Dudley Sub District: Dudley
Parish: Dudley Enum. District: 8
Address: Longnor House 93 Queens Cross Dudley
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HAYWARD, James H Head Married M 38 1873 Supt Of Homes Poor Law S Mary de Lode Parish Gloucester England
HAYWARD, Eleanor A Wife Married 13 years F 36 1875 Supt Of Homes Poor Law S Mary de Lode Parish Gloucester England
KENDRICK, Ellen Single F 37 1874 Foster Mother Poor Law Tipton Staffs
BAGGOTT, Thomas M 14 1897 Clerk Harts Hill Staffs
WESTWOOD, William M 13 1898 School Coseley Staffs
BARNES, Joseph M 12 1899 School Rotherham Yorkshire
RICHARDS, Charles M 13 1898 School Coseley Staffs
RICHARDS, Jacob M 11 1900 School Coseley Staffs
BEDDARD, John M 12 1899 School Sedgley Staffs
SMITH, Howard M 12 1899 School Tipton Staffs
BARKER, Francis M 14 1897 Tailor Apprentice Birmingham
JONES, Arthur M 14 1897 File Cutter Apprentice Tipton Staffs
HOMER, George M 10 1901 School Dudley Worcester
TRENCHER, William M 11 1900 School Tividale Staffs
WOOD, Stephen M 11 1900 School Coseley Staffs
PRUICE, Albert M 9 1902 School Sedgley Staffs
HAYES, Edward Single M 15 1896 Copper And Crate Maker Dudley Wor
HOLLIS, James Single M 16 1895 Painter Apprentice Coseley Staffs
YARDLEY, David Single M 17 1894 File Cutter Apprentice Old Hill Staffs
SHAKESPERE, Albert M 8 1903 School Sedgley Staffs
GUY, Thomas M 13 1898 School Dudley Wor
LONGMORE, William M 13 1898 School Tipton Staffs
PROBERT, William Single M 16 1895 Bricklayer Lancashire
HOBSON, Joseph M 12 1899 School Gornal Staffs
HOLDEN, Henry M 12 1899 School Tividale Staffs
BROWN, James M 9 1902 School Tipton Staffs
BELLESEN, Reuben M 10 1901 School Gornal Staffs
WALTERS, William M 10 1901 School Old Hill Staffs
TOMLINSON, Percy M 5 1906 School Coseley Staffs
STOYD, Frederick M 5 1906 School Sedgeley Staffs
SHELDON, Benjamin M 6 1905 School Dudley Worcester

Have now realisedI have Thomas & Margaret on the Shakespeare website in 1861:

Piece Enumeration District Ecclesiastical District
RG 09-2073 26 Brierley Hill
Address: 72 Dudley Street
Forename Surname Age (years)
Thomas Shakespear 33
Margaret Shakespear 33
Joseph Shakespear 13
Thomas Shakespear 11
Harriet Shakespear 9
William Shakespear 7
Margaret Shakespear 4
John Shakespear

The baptisms of the children are in the Brierley Hill registers (also on the website), which tells us that Thomas was a Blacksmith, liing at Harts Hill (Oak Farm prior to this in 1848)

From the Brierley Hill Baptism Register :

Children of Thomas and Margaret Shakespeare, of Harts Hill (except the 1848 entry which gives Oak Farm), Blacksmith:

Joseph Thomas 24 Dec 1848 (b. 2 April)
Thomas 31 March 1850 (b. 24 Feb)
Harriet Susannah 18 Jan 1852 (b. 27 Nov 1851)
William Henry 9 Oct 1853
John 19 May 1861 (b. 24 March)
Margaret 8 Feb 1857
Arthur 15 Dec 1867 (b. 21 Nov)
Alfred 4 June 1865 (b. 15 May)
Daniel 20 Sept 1863 (b. 3 April)

(Dates of birth in brackets

From freeBMD (marriage)

Daniel Shakespeare/ Fanny Louisa Webb, Dec Quarter 1892, Wolverhampton, vol 6b, Page 1001

Found them in the 1881 census:
Margaret is a widow, and the second (!!) Johns age matches that of Daniel (Think this John is a mistransciption and should be Daniel - no wonder I couldn't find him) - the other siblings match those in other censuses and the baptism register, and the street matches the 1871 census:

Dwelling: 29 Vine Stret
Census Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341690 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2878 Folio 129 Page 5
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Margaret SHAKSPEARE W 52 F Lancashire, England
Rel: Head
John SHAKSPEARE U 20 M Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Blacksmith (I Wks)
John SHAKSPEARE U 18 M Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Striker (Blacksmith)
Alfred SHAKSPEARE 15 M Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Stoker
Arthur SHAKSPEARE 13 M Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Strightener (Iron W)

1870
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SHAKESPEARE Harriet S FLETCHER Joseph Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/028/114


Hi Steve welcome back

adding some now to Bcc
will add marriages where I have them
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =202315439

can someone find Thomas b abt 1829 in 1861 pls

Could some find Thomas born about 1829 in the 1851 census - this will help to sort out his parents: we have two possibilities, one b 1828 and on in 1829, both in Brierley Hill.
Both survived to raise families - the other one is in the 1881 census in Derbyshire, the one we are looking for was married by 1851 but if the other one is still unmarried and possibly with his parents this would identify them. Of course, finding their marriages would help!
Steve
Ps Hi Jan

sp1 wrote:Could some find Thomas born about 1829 in the 1851 census - this will help to sort out his parents: we have two possibilities, one b 1828 and on in 1829, both in Brierley Hill.
Both survived to raise families - the other one is in the 1881 census in Derbyshire, the one we are looking for was married by 1851 but if the other one is still unmarried and possibly with his parents this would identify them. Of course, finding their marriages would help!
Steve
Ps Hi Jan

I have checked and this marriage has father daniel
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =240635852

Have a possible death for Thomas:

From the IGI: buried 24 March 1878 aged 49 Kingswinford

From freeBMD: Shakespeare, Thomas, age 49, Dudley 6c 102 - March Quarter 1878


Hi Jan
That's him ! Another piece of the puzzle, and an instant family tree for the person who contacted me.
I would try to add some of this to BCC but think my access has been removed?
I will check the details of the 'other' Thomas and post them here later - that will be another small branch confirmed

Let me know if you want to add any of this to Bcc I will add some of it

I will add that marriage for look up at wordsley
but father is deffo Daniel on it

1931
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SHAKESPEARE Albert DUDLEY Sylvia M Dudley Register Office Dudley Register Office DRO/068/21


Marriages Sep 1931
Shakespeare Albert Dudley Dudley 6b 2432


Marriages Sep 1931
Dudley Sylvia M Shakespeare Dudley 6b 2432
James Florence M Millington Dudley 6b 2432
Millington Arthur W James Dudley 6b 2432
Shakespeare Albert Dudley Dudley 6b 2432

do you have the marriage in 1931?