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Can we find Elizabeth on earlier census if possible? I havent added Lily as Rolands daughter because she was born before marriage and it possible looks like her Surname is Chatham on the 1901 census.
1891
See father

1901
See Sister Elizabeth Holt for Roland

1901, Cross Street South, Wolverhampton
Elizabeth Tromans, head, M, 49, Cradley heath
Lily Chatham?, daur, 20, printer, Stourbridge
Sarah E Tromans, daur, 14, Tin? Warehouse girl, Cradley Heath
Florry, daur, 12, Cradley heath
Beatrice, daur, 8, Brierly Hill
Daisy, daur, 4, Wolverhampton


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West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1886
TROMANS * Rowland TROMANS Elizabeth Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/008/409

Can anyone find the family in 1911, I cant decide on Elizabeths age?
Jo

3 May 1886 St Andrew Dudley
Rowland TROMANS 22 B Shoe Maker Mushroom Green father David Tromans Chain Maker
Elizabeth TROMANS 30 S Dudley Wood father William Tromans Chain Maker
Wit; John Price Fanny Shaw

Thanks Rocky Fowler!
Jo

1901, Cross Street South, Wolverhampton
Elizabeth Tromans, head, M, 49, Cradley heath
Lily Chatham?, daur, 20, printer, Stourbridge
Sarah E Tromans, daur, 14, Tin? Warehouse girl, Cradley Heath
Florry, daur, 12, Cradley heath
Beatrice, daur, 8, Brierly Hill
Daisy, daur, 4, Wolverhampton

So who is Lily? No previous marriage for Elizabeth?

CHATHAM William TROMANS Elizabeth Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/005/145 1870

1871
CHATHAM, William Head M 23 1848 Worcestershire
CHATHAM, Elizabeth Wife F 23 1848 Worcestershire
CHATHAM, Mary Daughter F 2 1869 Worcestershire
CHATHAM, Charles James Son M 0 1871 Worcestershire

Dudley Wood, Dudley

1881
SHAW, Mary Head Widow F 56 1825
Craven Arms
Shropshire
CHATHAM, William Son Married M 32 1849 Scrap Dealer
Silvington
Shropshire
CHATHAM, Frederick Son Single M 22 1859 Scrap Dealer Assistant
Bridgenorth
Shropshire
CHATHAM, Herbert Son Single M 21 1860 Scrap Dealer Assistant
Ardine
Shropshire
CHATHAM, Mary Grand Daughter Single F 11 1870
Dudley
Worcestershire
CHATHAM, Charles Grand Son Single M 10 1871
Dudley
Worcestershire
CARDER, Eliza Servant Single F 21 1860 (Dom Serv)
Brierley Hill

7, Scholding Green Rd, Rowley Regis

oh goodness!!!
Well more mixed up!
I havent seen Elizabeth with father on census yet either? So if she married William Chatham she should be as Widow? And that marriage is register office so we cant look up...

1891
SHAW, Mary Head Widow F 66 1825 Scrap Iron Dealer
Newton
Shropshire
CHATHAM, William Son Single M 41 1850 Horse Driver
Silverton
Shropshire
CHATHAM, Fred Son Single M 32 1859 Horse Driver
Bridgnorth
Shropshire
BELLAMY, Alice Servant F 16 1875
Stourbridge
Worcestershire


7, Scholding Green Road, Old Hill, Cradley Heath

Elizabeths age changes on census
1891, 44, so about 1847
1901, 49, so about 1852
And that marriage, 1866, she is 30 so born about 1856


Can anyone see 1911?
Jo

1911
TROMANS, Rowland Head Married
26 years M 49 1862 Shoe Maker Cradley Heath
TROMANS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 59 1852 Cradley Heath
TROMANS, Sarah E Daughter Single F 25 1886 Warehouse Packer Cradley Heath
TROMANS, Flory Daughter Single F 22 1889 Warehouse Packer Cradley Heath
TROMANS, Beatrice Daughter Single F 18 1893 Warehouse Packer Brierley Hill
TROMANS, Daisy Daughter F 14 1897 Errand Girl Packer Wolverhampton



5 Cross St South Wolverhampton

Thanks Rocky Fowler.
So two dates matching now

May already have this
Births Jun 1882
Chatham Lily Stourbridge 6c 186

Seen that entry fs. I just cant get my head round this

Still looking for possible census with father William. Found one but not sure
Jo