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Hello everyone,abit about my shakespeare's my grandfather is Alfred Walter 1899,his father is Henry Walter 1871,son of Isachar shakespeare & emma smith.
We dont know alot about my grandfather or his father.I know Alfred was born somewhere near stourbridge & had two sisters Daisy 1900 & Violet 1902.
His father died aged 32 leaving elizabeth a widow,elizabeth did get remarried to a charles (we think thats his name)She was living in stourbridge at the time of Henry;s death.She then moved to teesside.
Which makes me ask two questions how & why did Henry die young & why Elizabeth a widow with three children moved.So if anyone can fill the gaps i would be grateful.
Looking forward to getting to know you all x

Hi niikib,
Welcome to forum, and the to the family, Isachar Shakespeare & Emma Smith were my 2x great grand parents,

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Do you have the marriage cert for Henry Walter and Elizabeth,

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1897.
SHAKESPEARE Henry W. SHAW Elizabeth. Amblecote, Holy Trinity. Dudley Register Office. 015/004/295.

It looks like Henry Walter was not the son of Isachar Shakespeare & Emma Smith.

Henry Walter Shakespeare.
Baptism/Christening Date: 25 Sep 1870.
Baptism/Christening Place: Brierley Hill, Stafford.
Father's Name: Henry Shakespeare.
Mother's Name: Eliza Shakespeare.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01030-1.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1470583.
Reference Number: item 3 p 45.

Hi everyone & thank you all.
No jimmy i havent got anything at all.i just started doing this about a week or so ago.so would really like your help if poss thanks

Henry, son of Isachar and Emma Smith married under the name Harry,

12 May 1895 St Paul Blackheath.
Harry SHAKESPEARE. 24. B. Miner. Terrace St. Father. Issachar Shakespeare. Miner.
Hannah BAKER. 20. S. Terrace St. Father. Isaiah Baker. Miner.
After Banns.
Both signed.
Wit; Edward Slater. Annie Baker.

1881.
Eliza SHAKESPEARE Head Widow Female 53 Mount Pleasant, Stafford, England
Lot SHAKESPEARE Son U Male 22 Netherton, Worcester, England Mill Labourer
Harriet SHAKESPEARE Daur U Female 20 Brierley Hill, Stafford, England General Servant
Alfred SHAKESPEARE Son Male 16 Pensnett, Stafford, England Glass Maker
Mary SHAKESPEARE Daur Female 14 Pensnett, Stafford, England Scholar
Walter SHAKESPEARE Son Male 10 Pensnett, Stafford, England Scholar
Wallace Street.
Kingswinford, Stafford.


West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1872.
SHAKESPEARE Henry. Kingswinford. Dudley Register Office. KIN/051/229.

Same one with age,
Deaths Dec 1872.
SHAKESPEARE Henry. 45. Stourbridge. 6c. 146.

I don't have full access to Ancestry, basics for 1891.

1891.Kingswinford.
Eliza Shakespeare. abt 1828.
Alfred Shakespeare. abt 1865.
Mary L H Shakespeare. abt 1867.
Henry W Shakespeare. abt 1871.

1901. Kingswinford. basics,
Henry Shakespeare. abt 1871.
Elizabeth Shakespeare. abt 1874.
Alfred Shakespeare. abt 1899.
Daisy Shakespeare. abt 1900.

Possible Henry Walters parents marriage,

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1854.
SHAKESPEARE Henry. CARTWRIGHT Eliza. Kingswinford, St Mary. Dudley Register Office. 213/003/170.

1871. Kingswinford. Basics,
Henry Shakespear. abt 1827.
Eliza Shakespear. abt 1828.
Lot Shakespear. abt 1854.
Harriett Shakespear. abt 1861.
Jane Eliza Shakespear. abt 1863.
Alfred Shakespear. bt 1865.

Lot Shakespear.
Baptism/Christening Date: 23 May 1858.
Baptism/Christening Place: Brierley Hill, Stafford.
Birth Date: 08 May 1858.
Father's Name: Henry Shakespear.
Mother's Name: Eliza Shakespear.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01030-1.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1470583.
Reference Number: item 2 p 326.

Harriet Shakespear.
Baptism/Christening Date: 17 Jun 1860.
Baptism/Christening Place: Brierley Hill, Stafford.
Birth Date: 20 May 1860.
Father's Name: Henry Shakespear.
Mother's Name: Eliza Shakespear.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01030-1.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1470583.
Reference Number: item 2 p 364.

Jane Eliza Shakespeare.
Baptism/Christening Date: 31 Aug 1862.
Baptism/Christening Place: Brierley Hill, Stafford.
Father's Name: Henry Shakespeare.
Mother's Name: Eliza Shakespeare.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01030-1.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1470583.
Reference Number: item 2 p 407.


Alfred Shakespeare.
Baptism/Christening Date: 03 Sep 1865.
Baptism/Christening Place: Brierley Hill, Stafford.
Birth Date: 06 Sep 1864.
Father's Name: Henry Shakespeare.
Mother's Name: Eliza Shakespeare.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01030-1.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1470583.
Reference Number: item 2 p 463.

Mary Louisa Shakespeare.
Baptism/Christening Date: 11 Nov 1866.
Baptism/Christening Place: Brierley Hill, Stafford.
Father's Name: Henry Shakespeare.
Mother's Name: Eliza Shakespeare.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01030-1.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1470583.
Reference Number: item 2 p 484.

You say that Elizabeth remarried, could this be the one,

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1906.
SHAKESPEARE Elizabeth. PATCHETT Charles H. Brierley Hill, St John. Dudley Register Office. 211/002/36.

Marriages Mar 1906,
Head Charles Arthur. Stourbridge, 6c. 152.
Knott Annie Elizabeth. Stourbridge. 6c. 152.
PATCHETT Charles Henry. Stourbridge. 6c. 152.
Shakespeare Elizabeth. Stourbridge. 6c. 152.

Basics, these seem to be in the same house.

1911. Middlesbrough.
PATCHETT CHARLES HENRY. 1879. 32.
PATCHETT ELIZABETH. 1874. 37.
SHAKESPEARE ALFRED. 1899. 12.
SHAKESPEARE DAISY. 1900. 11.
SHAKESPEARE VIOLET. 1902. 9.
PATCHETT ROSE. 1907. 4.
PATCHETT JOHN HENRY. 1910. 1.

Thank you for that,my dad couldnt remeber his surname.There was talk that he comitted suicide.Ive got the answer to one of my questions YEAH.She didnt move to middlesbrough by herself.Thank you very much

Poss,
Deaths Jun 1923.
PATCHETT Charles H. 49. Neath. 11a. 897.

Deaths Sep 1948.
Patchett Charles H. 67. Middlesbro' 1b. 609.