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This is a spin off from another thread. Theres a John Bird and Maria Eliza Bird as witnesses to Samuel Bowater and Sarah Birds marriage.
Is this Sarahs brother? Can we find some information on the family?

Marriages Dec 1870
BARNSLEY Elizabeth Stourbridge 6c 356
BIRD John Stourbridge 6c 356
BOWATER Maria Eliza Stourbridge 6c 356
Bullock Joseph Stourbridge 6c 356

Maria I think is

Marriages Sep 1867

BOWATER Joseph Stourbridge 6c 258
Gilbert Thomas Stourbridge 6c 258
Harris Jane Stourbridge 6c 258
Yates Maria Stourbridge 6c 258

And possibly here on BCC although it does say she has died before 1881
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

1871. Cakemore Lane, Cakemore
John Bird, head, 22, Miner, West Bromwich
Meria, wife, 23, nail Maker
Sarah Jane Bowater, step daur, 3
All others born Cakemore

Next door is
Eliza Yates, head, W, 63, Income from Houses, NK
Sarah, daur, 32, nail Maker
Benjamin, son, 22, Miner
All others born Cakemore

1881. Yates Buildings. Cakemore
John Bird, head, 31, Coal Miner, West bromwich
Maria, wife, 34,
Sarah Jane Bowater, step daur, 13,
Eliza Yates, Mother in Law, 74, Oldbury
Sarah Yates, sister, Sister in law, 40, Nail Maker
Annie Yates, Niece, 4
All others born Cakemore

1891. Yates Lane, Cakemore
John Bird Jr, head, 42, Colliery Miner, West bromwich
Eliza Maria, wife, 43,
Joseph Jones, son in law, 22, Colliery Miner, Blackheath
Sarah Jane Jones, daughter of wife, 23,
John Jones, grandson, 1,
John Bird Senr, Father, 67, Nailer, Darby Hand
Sarah Yates Sister in Law, 53,
Annie Yates, niece, 13,
James Bird, Grandfather, 92, No occupation, West Bromwich
All others born Cakemore

1901. Station Lane, Cakemore
John Bird, head, 50, Miner, West bromwich
Maria, wife, 53,
Joseph Jones, son in law, 32, Miner, Blackheath
Sarah Jane, daur, 33,
John, grand son, 11,
George, grand son, 8,
Joseph, grand son, 6,
Mabel, grand daur, 5,
David, grand son, 4,
Frank, grandson, 1
All others born Cakemore

1841. New Street, Rowley Regis
James Bird, 40, Nail M
Hannah, 37,
John, 18, Not born in County
James, 9,
Benjamin, 4,
Samuel, 2
Joseph, 3 weeks
Ann Whitehouse, 18, FS
All others born in County

1851. Moor Street, West Bromwich
John Bird, head, 28, Coal Miner
Catherine, wife, 29,
John, son, 2, West bromwich
All others born Dudley

1861. Garratts Lane, Rowley Regis
John Bird, head, 38, Coal Miner, Dudley
Catherine, wife, 38, Nail Maker, Dudley
Harriett, daur, 14, Rowley
John, son, 12, Stone miner, West Bromwich
Thomas, son, 8, West Bromwich
Sarah Jones, daur, 4, Rowley
William Wilkes, boarder, 14, stone miner, Rowley
Hannah Bird, daur, 1, Rowley
Elizabeth Cox, boarder, 62, UK
Phillis Cox, boarder, 25, Yorkshire
John B Cox, boarder, 2 months? Rowley

1871. High Street, Rowley Regis
John Bird, head, 48, Miner
Caroline, wife, 47, Nailmaker
Thomas, son, 18, Miner
Sarah J, daur, 14, Nailmaker
Hannah, daur, 10,
Emily, daur, 9,
Caroline, daur, 4
All born Rowley Regis

1881. 35 High Street, Rowley Regis
John Bird, head, 58, Coal Miner
Catherine, wife, 58, Nailer
Caroline, daur, 14, Nailer
Hannah, daur, 22, Nailer
All born Rowley Regis

1841. Upper Cakemore, Halesowen
John Yates, 45, Farmer, Not born County
Sarah, 30,
Thomas, 10,
Ann, 8, Not born in County
John, 5, Not born in County
Sarah, 3,
Josiah, 1,
/Maria Dyson, 65, Not born in County
Ann Yates, 75, Not born in County
All others born in County

1851. Cakemore Lane, Cakemore,
John Yates, head, 60, Farmer 11 Acres, Dudley
Mariah, wife, 44, Rowley Regis
Thomas, son, 21, Brick Maker
Ann, daur, 18, Nail forger
John, son, 15
Sarah, daur, 13,
Josiah, son, 11,
Mariah, daur, 5,
Benjamin, son, 2,
Mariah Dyson, mother in law, 76, formerly scythe grinders wife, ?worth, Warwickshire
All others born Halesowen

1861. Yates Lane, Cakemore
John Yates, head, 68, Nail Maker, Dudley
Mary, wife, 64, Nail Maker, Dudley
John, son, 25, Ag Lab
Josiah, son, 21, Ag Lab
Sarah, daur, 23, Nail Maker
Maria, daur, 14,
Benjamin, son, 11
Enoch Partridge, Grand son, 5
All others born Halesowen

Possibly Sarah Jane Bowaters marriage. I cent see it on family search or west mid

Freebmd,

Marriages Dec 1889
BOWATER Sarah Jane Stourbridge 6c 319
Jones Joseph Stourbridge 6c 319
Upton Beatrice Stourbridge 6c 319
WILLETS William Stourbridge 6c 319
WILLETTS William Stourbridge 6c 319

John married my 2x great grandmother, Maria Yates after her husband, Joseph Bowater died very young. I have looked and looked, but can't find his death. they are on BCC.

That is Sarah Janes marriage. By the way it says Maria died AFTER 1881.

Thanks Margaret and yes my mistake it says after 1881, sorry.
Do you have the marriage for them then and Joseph Bowaters father?
Jo

Or the marriage for John Bird?
Jo

Yes, got the certs, but am very stuck on death of Joseph. Bit tied up this week, so may not have time to put any more info on, are you related to John Bird then? These are the Yateses of Yates Lane.

No not related I was just going through some Bowater families for BCC it was just John Bird and Maria were witnesses to the wedding.
I'll add what info I have found and it would be good to have the marriage records when you have time.
Jo

Ok. No problem! If anyone has found the death of Joseph Bowaterbetween 1867 and december 1870, I'll be eternally grateful! Joseph Bowater's father was Samuel.

I havent seen a death?

Added census and children for

John Yates
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =626620119

James Bird
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =247157565

John Bird Sr
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =277969059

John Bird Jr
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =633277740

Theres a possible marriage for John Bird and Catherine. I will add to look ups.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1846
BIRD John DAVIES Catharine Rowley Regis, St Giles Sandwell Register Office 18/1/308

But looking for Harriet in 1851 census this may be her?

1851. Park lane, Rowley Regis
William Shepherd, head, 57, Nail Forger
Catherine, wife, 56, Dudley
Thomas, son, 25,
Emma, daur, 20,
Esther, daur, 18,
William, son, 15,
Eliza, daur, 12,
Hariet Burd, Grand daughter, 4
All others born Rowley Regis