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Doesnt look like archives have it only the bapts

Old Hill

Methodist
Tabernacle
Baptisms, 1933-1958

Wesley Church, Halesowen Road (Acc 9190)
Baptisms, 1925-1997
Marriages, 1924-1972 (6 vols) (Names transcribed see
Mr. Loach's non-conformist transcripts)

so I can ask but think it might be a send off for the Certificate Raymond

Having looked at my records at home - can not find Edith Lilian (one"L") HACKETT's Birth Certificate.(Edith died Tamworth NSW Australia 01/01/1984) details of Mary LAYTON's birth previously shown 13/2/1888 Hagley Rd HASBURY (Entry 90 Birth No 54-F Smith Register) (I new Mary in her last few years- she died in a nursing home in Dee Why, Sydney NSW 09/03/1978 - from what I leart from her during those years that I looked after her she only indicated the two marriages HACKETT/WIGGIN)[the BCC could be updated for other people, if who ever does it need more info I can send via normal email as shown in The Times]

I am satisfied that I was following the wrong HACKETT - where Siviler fits into the picture I do not know fully at this stage, I am trying to contact a brother who lives some where in Casino Area of Northern NSW who stayed with them and should know some details (we are not a close family and it makes it hard to find him) Will keep you posted - Edith had a cousin she visied in Halesowen in May 1978 (Pass Port)

IF Mary was by a previos marriage to Thomas, I have been unable to locate, with our BDM's they all show parent names, this is where I find it hard to follow these in England - may need some instructions.

peterd wrote:poss marriage for thomas

LAYTON Thomas NEAL Bertha 1887 Cradley Heath, St Luke West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 20/2/149

extracted

BERTHA NEALE
Christening: 19 APR 1867 Halesowen, Worcester, England


Father: THOMAS NEALE
Mother: ELIZABETH

extracted poss marriage

THOMAS NEAL ..Age at Marriage: 20
ELIZABETH WEBSTER ..Age at Marriage: 18

Marriage: 25 DEC 1856 Halesowen, Worcester, England

poss thomas death

NEALE Thomas 1878 - Dudley West Midlands Dudley Register Office DUD/083/337

1881 census

Birmingham St Yorks Yard Halesowen, Worcester


Elizabeth NEAL W 45 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Emily NEAL 20 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Elizabeth NEAL 16 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Bertha NEAL 14 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Caroline NEAL 10 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Mary NEAL 2 Halesowen, Worcester,


thomas neal and elizabeth neal were witness at david rose and phoebe webster wedding

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =492159194

any one find thomas and elizabeth in earlier census ?

next door to elizabeth

1881 census

Mary NEAL Head W 86 Halesowen, Worcester, Formerly Nailer
William NEAL Son W 51 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Eliza NEAL Daur W 42 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
William NEAL Grand Son 19 Halesowen, Worcester, Baker Journeyman
Mary Ann NEAL Grand Daur 16 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Polly NEAL Grand Daur 13 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar


other side

David ROSE 50 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Phebe ROSE 39 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
George WEBSTER 20 Halesowen, Worcester, Gen Lab
Sarah Ann WEBSTER 18 Halesowen, Worcester, Button Factory Hand
Charlotte ROSE 15 Halesowen, Worcester, Button Factory Hand
Agnes ROSE 14 Halesowen, Worcester, Button Factory Hand
Arthur ROSE 9 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
David ROSE 8 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Elizabeth ROSE 6 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Benjamin ROSE 4 Halesowen, Worcester,
James ROSE 1 Halesowen, Worcester,


both extracted no father just phoebe mother

GEORGE WEBSTER Christening: 18 APR 1862 Halesowen, Worcester,

SARAH ANN WEBSTER Christening: 14 OCT 1863 Halesowen, Worcester,

and there marriage

ROSE David WEBSTER Phoebe Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/140

four doors up

Thomas WEBSTER 28 Halesowen, Worcester, Railway Laborer
Hannah WEBSTER 27 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Samuel WEBSTER 7 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Hannah WEBSTER 1 m Halesowen, Worcester,

poss marriage

WEBSTER Thomas BASTERFIELD Hannah 1878 Halesowen, St John the Baptist West Midlands Dudley Register Office 014/004/320

next to mary neale 1881 census

Thomas BASTERFIELD M Male 30 Halesowen, Worcester, England Lab At Tube Works
Hannah BASTERFIELD M Female 38 Halesowen, Worcester, England Nailer
Charlotte WHITE W Female 78 Halesowen, Worcester, England Formerly Nailer
Sarah (Hannah) WHITE U Female 22 Halesowen, Worcester, England Nailer

and there marriage

BASTERFIELD Thomas WHITE Hannah 1872 Halesowen, St John the Baptist West Midlands Dudley Register Office 014/004/56

living next to david rose

Charles WHITE 53 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Eliza WHITE 44 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Annie WHITE 22 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Charlotte WHITE 20 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Jane WHITE 16 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Josiah WHITE 13 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Charles WHITE 8 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar

Not sure about this family Pete, they are in Hurst Green 1851 and 1861?

1861 Charles M Neal 47 All born Halesowen
Elizabeth 38
John 14
Elizabeth 12
Joseph 10
Eliza 1
Alflred 1

1851 Charles 38 Nailer Halesowen
Elizabeth 28
Catharine D 10
Charles Son 8
John Son 4
Elizabeth D 2
Joseph Son 3 months

linell wrote:Not sure about this family Pete, they are in Hurst Green 1851 and 1861?

1861 Charles M Neal 47 All born Halesowen
Elizabeth 38
John 14
Elizabeth 12
Joseph 10
Eliza 1
Alflred 1

1851 Charles 38 Nailer Halesowen
Elizabeth 28
Catharine D 10
Charles Son 8
John Son 4
Elizabeth D 2
Joseph Son 3 months

think elizabeth husband will be thomas

1851 Census Spring Acre The Hill Halesowen
John Neale HD 46 Nailer Stratford Worcs
Mary Wife 46 Halesowen
William Son U 24 H/O
Mary D 18 H/O
Hannah D 16 H/O
Rebecca D 14 H/O
John Son 12 H/O
Sarah D 10 H/O
Richard Son 7 H/O
Betsey D 5 H/O
George Son 1 H/O

1861 Birmingham St Halesowen
Thomas Neal 23
Elizabeth 21
Sarah A 2
Emily 6 months

1861 Long Lane
Samuel Neale 30
Mary A 30
Thomas 11
Fanny 9
Alice 6
Sarah 2
Mary A 1 month

Thomas born about 1836 must be the one in B'ham Street?

THOMAS NEAL ..Age at Marriage: 20
ELIZABETH WEBSTER ..Age at Marriage: 18

Marriage: 25 DEC 1856 Halesowen, Worcester, England

and a poss death earlier poss added too

Sorry Pete can't find Thomas in 1851?

linell wrote:Sorry Pete can't find Thomas in 1851?

what about 71 ?

charles white c 1828


CHARLES WHITE
Christening: 06 APR 1828 Halesowen, Worcester,

Father: BENJAMIN WHITE
Mother: CHARLOTTE


poss siblings

CHARLES WHITE
Christening: 06 APR 1828 Halesowen, Worcester,

2. JANE WHITE
Christening: 16 SEP 1832 Halesowen, Worcester,

3. JOHN WHITE
Christening: 08 JUL 1839 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 28 JUN 1840

4. PHOEBE WHITE
Christening: 14 AUG 1836 Halesowen, Worcester,

5. JOSIAH WHITE
Christening: 24 OCT 1841 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 08 APR 1850

right this lot doing me head in seem to have about 8 households related all seem to be relaterd to bertha neale who married thomas layton

here the latest


Mary Ann HACKETT Head W Female 48 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Elizabeth HACKETT 24 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
William HACKETT 22 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Jane HACKETT 20 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Charles HACKETT 18 Halesowen, Worcester, Laborer At Iron Works
Mary Ann HACKETT 16 Halesowen, Worcester, (No Occupation)
John HACKETT 14 Halesowen, Worcester, (No Occupation)
Alfred HACKETT 13 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Alice HACKETT 12 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Joseph HACKETT 10 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Arthur HACKETT 8 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Bertha HACKETT 7 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
James HACKETT 4 Halesowen, Worcester,
Annie HACKETT Grand Daur Female 2 Halesowen, Worcester,


Sure this is mary ann webster married joseph hackett her sister phoebe is also near her she married david rose see above

thomas neale and elizabeth webster are bertha parent can some one try to look through this to see that im correct and the other link together through marriages

the only one not linked is mary neal living next door to elizabeth neal (nee webster) but think mary thomas mother



http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =999696554

david rose is on link

rubens hackett there too c 1833

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =293191245


Reuben HACKETT 48 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Elizabeth HACKETT 45 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Sarah Ann HINCHLEY OR HINDLEY U 23 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Jane HACKETT 15 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Joseph HACKETT 10 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Charles HACKETT 7 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar



Dwelling Birmingham Street Halesowen, Worcester


there marriage

HACKETT Reuben HINCHLEY Elizabeth 1864 Halesowen, St John the Baptist West Midlands Dudley Register Office 014/003/154



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SARAH ANN HINCKLEY
Christening: 19 FEB 1858 Halesowen, Worcester,

Mother: ELIZABETH HINCKLEY

peterd wrote:

peterd wrote:poss marriage for thomas

LAYTON Thomas NEAL Bertha 1887 Cradley Heath, St Luke West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 20/2/149

extracted

BERTHA NEALE
Christening: 19 APR 1867 Halesowen, Worcester, England


Father: THOMAS NEALE
Mother: ELIZABETH

extracted poss marriage

THOMAS NEAL ..Age at Marriage: 20
ELIZABETH WEBSTER ..Age at Marriage: 18

Marriage: 25 DEC 1856 Halesowen, Worcester, England

poss thomas death

NEALE Thomas 1878 - Dudley West Midlands Dudley Register Office DUD/083/337

1881 census

Birmingham St Yorks Yard Halesowen, Worcester


Elizabeth NEAL W 45 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Emily NEAL 20 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Elizabeth NEAL 16 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Bertha NEAL 14 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Caroline NEAL 10 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Mary NEAL 2 Halesowen, Worcester,


thomas neal and elizabeth neal were witness at david rose and phoebe webster wedding

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =492159194

any one find thomas and elizabeth in earlier census ?

Most of this is on BCC just needs checking http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =442210095