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gardener wrote:

Northern Lass wrote:I would find that Sarah Bibb prev marriage
I can't see it but only had a quick look

On the 1841 go up and down Crock St seeing if any more Toys
other than the ones we know of ie Wm Toy aged 18 and Wm Toy and Sarah

Wm Toy snr and Sarah Bibb were married prev
who to? and where?

I can move this to Brick Walls and we can then leave it to be chipped away at

The IGI has a marriage

Henry Bibb to Sarah Smart 25th Dec 1823 Dudley

It is, alas, member submitted and does not give the church, just Dudley. Judging by the other entries in the batch then it may have been done by someone looking at Smart family.

So, question is: if it is not in the IGI as an extracted entry then which church is more likely?

I have a Phoebe Smart in my tree - linked through marriage. Eliza C Toy's parents were David Parkes and Phoebe Smart.

NickToye wrote:

gardener wrote:

Northern Lass wrote:I would find that Sarah Bibb prev marriage
I can't see it but only had a quick look

On the 1841 go up and down Crock St seeing if any more Toys
other than the ones we know of ie Wm Toy aged 18 and Wm Toy and Sarah

Wm Toy snr and Sarah Bibb were married prev
who to? and where?

I can move this to Brick Walls and we can then leave it to be chipped away at

The IGI has a marriage

Henry Bibb to Sarah Smart 25th Dec 1823 Dudley

It is, alas, member submitted and does not give the church, just Dudley. Judging by the other entries in the batch then it may have been done by someone looking at Smart family.

So, question is: if it is not in the IGI as an extracted entry then which church is more likely?

I have a Phoebe Smart in my tree - linked through marriage. Eliza C Toy's parents were David Parkes and Phoebe Smart.

i think your may be confusing the situation nick, best concerntrate on who sarah smart unless you can prove a direct link to pheobe ?

here eliza on bcc already

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=51619496

there is the possbility that sarah was a sister of pheobe and poss maria smart who was a witness on her marriage to david parkes this could be one avenue for investigation ?

poss long shot all thomas and sarah

all submitted

PHEBE SMART
Christening: 27 SEP 1807 Halesowen, Worcester, 43 in 1851 census 53 in 1861

SARAH SMART
Christening: 09 JUL 1797 Halesowen, Worcester, 63 in 1861 census and 73 in 1871


the above ages match some of the census we have on them ?


JOSEPH SMART
Christening: 15 MAR 1795 Halesowen, Worcester,

HANNAH SMART
Christening: 27 OCT 1799 Halesowen, Worcester,

ELIZABETH SMART
Christening: 12 MAR 1791 Halesowen, Worcester,

NANCY SMART
Christening: 23 JUN 1793 Halesowen, Worcester,

MARY SMART
Christening: 15 JUL 1787 Halesowen, Worcester,

CHARLOTTE SMART
Christening: 24 JUL 1785 Halesowen, Worcester


extracted

thomas and sarah parents

MARY MARIA SMART
Christening: 02 JUN 1805 Cradley, Worcester, ?

So if we have 3 Christenings for parents Thomas and Sarah Smart

PHEBE SMART
Christening: 27 SEP 1807 Halesowen, Worcester, 43 in 1851 census 53 in 1861

SARAH SMART
Christening: 09 JUL 1797 Halesowen, Worcester, 63 in 1861 census and 73 in 1871


and this one Cradley
MARY MARIA SMART
Christening: 02 JUN 1805 Cradley, Worcester

can someone verify the Halesowen ones pls in their transcripts

A Maria Smart was the witness at Phebe Smarts marriage to David Parkes
Marriage verified at Archives
DAVID PARKES
PHEBE SMART
Marriage: 31 JAN 1825 St Thomas Dudley, Worcester
banns
bach/spinster
X both
Wit - Samuel Mucklow/ Maria Smart X

Possibly that is how Wm Toye b 1820 was introduced to his wife Eliza via his stepmum?

Northern Lass wrote:So if we have 3 Christenings for parents Thomas and Sarah Smart

PHEBE SMART
Christening: 27 SEP 1807 Halesowen, Worcester, 43 in 1851 census 53 in 1861

SARAH SMART
Christening: 09 JUL 1797 Halesowen, Worcester, 63 in 1861 census and 73 in 1871


and this one Cradley
MARY MARIA SMART
Christening: 02 JUN 1805 Cradley, Worcester

can someone verify the Halesowen ones pls in their transcripts

A Maria Smart was the witness at Phebe Smarts marriage to David Parkes
Marriage verified at Archives
DAVID PARKES
PHEBE SMART
Marriage: 31 JAN 1825 St Thomas Dudley, Worcester
banns
bach/spinster
X both
Wit - Samuel Mucklow/ Maria Smart X

Possibly that is how Wm Toye b 1820 was introduced to his wife Eliza via his stepmum?

there is also a poss maria is the wife of one of pheobe older brothers also that why the ? mark

Just wanted to say folks that I am taking the rest of the week off with regards to research, I just don't have the time spare at the moment as I am trying to rebuild my career as a web designer (available for freelance contracts - shameless plug), but hope to catch up over the weekend.

I also wanted to say what a great forum this is, best community I have been amongst in terms of willingness to help out. So thanks for that.

gardener wrote:

Northern Lass wrote:I would find that Sarah Bibb prev marriage
I can't see it but only had a quick look

On the 1841 go up and down Crock St seeing if any more Toys
other than the ones we know of ie Wm Toy aged 18 and Wm Toy and Sarah

Wm Toy snr and Sarah Bibb were married prev
who to? and where?

I can move this to Brick Walls and we can then leave it to be chipped away at

The IGI has a marriage

Henry Bibb to Sarah Smart 25th Dec 1823 Dudley

It is, alas, member submitted and does not give the church, just Dudley. Judging by the other entries in the batch then it may have been done by someone looking at Smart family.

So, question is: if it is not in the IGI as an extracted entry then which church is more likely?

Ok I have looked up this marriage it does exist
and I do think that is our Sarah and I am adding it to BCC with my head on the block if it is wrong

no info on the wits they seem to be on a few so something to do with the church
S. Paskins or L Paskins certainly is
Rd Hadley was on a few too....prob the cleaner they roped in ...........

25 Dec 1823 St Thomas Dudley
Henry Bibb otp Bach
Sarah Smart otp spinster
X both
Wit - S or L Paskin / X Rd Hadley

Northern Lass wrote:Rd Hadley was on a few too....prob the cleaner they roped in ...........

25 Dec 1823 St Thomas Dudley
Henry Bibb otp Bach
Sarah Smart otp spinster
X both
Wit - S or L Paskin / X Rd Hadley

This was poss Reverand Hadley, show some respect NL!

mallosa wrote:

Northern Lass wrote:Rd Hadley was on a few too....prob the cleaner they roped in ...........

25 Dec 1823 St Thomas Dudley
Henry Bibb otp Bach
Sarah Smart otp spinster
X both
Wit - S or L Paskin / X Rd Hadley

This was poss Reverand Hadley, show some respect NL!

Hoy! how many look ups do you do!!
It was a Rd prob a Richard Hadley
It was on a few
and the MARK OF xxxxxxxxx
now get back to yer knitting!
(hope it wasn't the Rev standing in...didnt note the vicar....... )

So we still don't know who William Toy b 1821 mother is?

NickToye wrote:So we still don't know who William Toy b 1821 mother is?

emmm no but ....

Northern Lass wrote:

NickToye wrote:So we still don't know who William Toy b 1821 mother is?

emmm no but ....

...

Well I don't know where we go from here

Gardener ..............where are you
you normally know

I think it is Sarah Smart
no I don't think she is mother of William
and I think she is sister of Phebe Smart mother of Eliza Parkes
but that is only what I think

stumped!

Right, so there is no birth record of William Toy b 1821?

NickToye wrote:Right, so there is no birth record of William Toy b 1821?

We need that first marriage for Wm Toye

no birth record we are sure of
could be anyone of them