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Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:47 pm
by Frodo
Looking at the marriage records was Thomas also a widower at the time he married
Mary, if so who else did he marry?
If it helps I have Thomas's baptism as 30th April 1797 with father William and mother Pamela from England, Select births and christenings 1538-1975.
For William and Pamela I have marriage on 19th August 1794 in Lutterworth to Pamela Barrows(baptism 10th February 1775, father Thomas), death December 1854 (civil registration death certificate).
The family did move from the Lutterworth area to the Black Country/Birmingham area we think in search of employment.
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:14 am
by Northern Lass
Frodo wrote:Presumably this means the link to Joseph Raybould and Diana Yardley is incorrect, instead the connection is via
Mary Brettell married to James son of Humphrey and Prudence.
Not sure if there is a link from James son of Humphrey RAybould to your Thomas Manger ....as I think James dies
in 1803
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =431797766Name:James Raybold
Christening Date:4 Aug 1776
Christening Place:Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England
Christening Place (Original):
Kingswinford, Stafford, England
Father's Name:Humphry Raybold
Mother's Name:Prudence
poss
Name: James Raybould
Death Age: 26
Birth Date: 1777
Death Date: 1803
Burial Date: 24 Apr 1803
Burial Place: Brierley Hill, Stafford, England
FHL Film Number: 1470582
Reference: ID: it2
Your link seems to be here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =409096760and we don't have him connected to anyone as we can't rule out that the James with father Humphrey died in 1803.
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:25 am
by Northern Lass
So David now looks ok on Bcc
Joseph though if he is with someone called Fanny on 1841 is this a nickname for Susannah?
Diana
FAnny/Susannah
do we have mar info for Diana. cant see it.
free reg
Worcestershire Halesowen St John the Baptist
Marriage date 9 Jun 1829
Groom forename Joseph
Groom surname RAYBOLD
Groom parish Otp
Groom condition Widower
Bride forename Susanna
Bride surname PEARSON
Bride parish Otp
Bride condition Widow
Witness1 Benjamin MILLARD
Witness2 George G FIDDIAN
Free reg burial
Staffordshire Brierley Hill St Michael
Burial date 03 Jun 1827
Burial person forename Diana
Relationship wife of
Male relative forename Joseph
Burial person surname RAYBOULD
Person age 56
Burial person abode The Birches
Free reg Burial
Staffordshire Brierley Hill St Michael
Burial date 30 Mar 1862
Burial person forename Susannah
Burial person surname RAYBOULD
Person age 85
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:30 am
by Northern Lass
This could be son of David and Mary who is with Joseph and Fanny on the 1841
(On the 1841 Census George Easthope is on one page , on the previous page are
David Raybould 50 Lab
Mary Raybould 56
Elizabeth Raybould 25 Nailer
Esther Raybould 20
Susannah Raybould 15
Next door is
Joseph Raybould 65 Nailer
Fanny Raybould 60
James Raybould 25 Chain Maker)
poss..
Free reg.
Staffordshire
Brierley Hill
St Michael
Baptism date 07 Jun 1818
Person forename James
Father forename David
Mother forename Mary
Father surname RAYBOULD
Person abode The Thorns
Father occupation Labourer
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:05 am
by Northern Lass
Anyone got the St John Halesowen transcripts pls for
the marriage to Diana Yardley and joseph Raybould
26 Feb 1797
St John Halesowen
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:25 am
by kdwoodie
There is also this James
Name: James Raybould
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1815
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1829
Baptism Place: Brierley Hill,Stafford,England
Father:
Jos Raybould
Mother:
Diana
FHL Film Number: 426499, 426500
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:10 am
by kdwoodie
On BCC there is a possible child of David and Mary Born 1818
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=543583Note by Jan ...is this another child for David and Mary
poss..
Free reg.
Staffordshire
Brierley Hill
St Michael
Baptism date 07 Jun 1818
Person forename James
Father forename David
Mother forename Mary
Father surname RAYBOULD
Person abode The Thorns
Father occupation Laboure
Brierley Hill
St Michael
Parish Register
Register entry number 716
Burial date 21 Oct 1818
Burial person forename James
Relationship son of
Male relative forename David
Female relative forename Mary
Burial person surname RAYBOULD
Person age infant
Burial person abode Dunsbank
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:20 am
by kdwoodie
Brierley Hill
St Michael
Parish Register
Register entry number 188
Burial date 19 Jul 1814
Burial person forename James
Relationship son of
Male relative forename Joseph
Female relative forename Diana
Burial person surname RAYBOULD
Person age 6
Burial person abode Meers Coppice
So James on BCC dies, there is another born 1815 who i think marries Mary Brettle in 1823, but Mary marries Thomas Manger in 1833 and James is alive in 1841.
I do think Fanny could be Susannah.
To be honest i am getting really muddled with this.
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:30 am
by kdwoodie
Freereg
Kingswinford
St Mary
Parish Register
Register entry number 39
Marriage date 23 May 1809
David RAYBOULD Kingswinford
Mary HARTLAND Kingswinford
Witness 1 Prudance RAYBOULD
Witness 2 Isaac BEDDARD
Notes Groom and bride sign by mark
Is Mary somehow related to Prudence Davids mother?
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:34 am
by Northern Lass
So I can add this to the poss bapt as his burial for James son of David and Mary
Brierley Hill
St Michael
Parish Register
Register entry number 716
Burial date 21 Oct 1818
Burial person forename James
Relationship son of
Male relative forename David
Female relative forename Mary
Burial person surname RAYBOULD
Person age infant
Burial person abode Dunsbank
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:41 am
by Northern Lass
So Joseph and Diana have a james b 1808 he dies 1814...added that.
and the James born to David and Mary b 1818 dies later that year
that works.
so the James who marries Mary Brettell we dont know who he belongs to?
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:46 am
by Northern Lass
kdwoodie wrote:Freereg
Kingswinford
St Mary
Parish Register
Register entry number 39
Marriage date 23 May 1809
David RAYBOULD Kingswinford
Mary HARTLAND Kingswinford
Witness 1 Prudance RAYBOULD
Witness 2 Isaac BEDDARD
Notes Groom and bride sign by mark
Is Mary somehow related to Prudence Davids mother?
isnt this dAvid RAybould son of Humphrey and Prudence here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =989596711
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:50 am
by kdwoodie
I have added the marriage for David to Mary Hartland
James who married Mary Brettle i think is the son of Joseph and Diana
Name: James Raybould
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1815
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1829
Baptism Place: Brierley Hill,Stafford,England
Father:
Jos Raybould
Mother:
Diana
FHL Film Number: 426499, 426500
I wont add anymore as getting confusing
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:05 am
by Northern Lass
kdwoodie wrote:I have added the marriage for David to Mary Hartland
James who married Mary Brettle i think is the son of Joseph and Diana
Name: James Raybould
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1815
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1829
Baptism Place: Brierley Hill,Stafford,England
Father:
Jos Raybould
Mother:
Diana
FHL Film Number: 426499, 426500
So the first James of theirs dies and then they have another who is with them on the 1841 or rather with Joseph and Fanny/Susannah on 184
that works
do you fancy connecting with a note kay?
got to dash off somewhere...
I wont add anymore as getting confusing
Re: Humphrey Raybould and Prudence Hartland
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:22 am
by kdwoodie
Added that but have just found this
Name:
James Raybold
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
18 Mar 1812
Event Place:
Cradley, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Park Lane, Cradley, Worcester, England
Sex:
Male
Birth Date:
2 Dec 1807
Father's Name:
Jos. Raybold
Mother's Name:
Diana
Is this the one that dies 1814 ?