*Archived * -John Henry Moore

[linell]

Hi Sharon, Innage was in Cradley, are you sure about the 'Long.' It is possible that John Snr and the other children emigrated after 1871? Try the Ships Passenger Lists Will have another look tomorrow, best wishes from linell.

[Sharon]

Thanks again all...not bored or insane yet then?!
I have questions..
looking at the census reports you kindly provide re Clara and William Guise, does this mean that William moved back to the country to work and Clara and the kids stayed in Cradley? Long commute, Crowle is between Ludlow and bridgnorth..

Havent a wedding cert for Clara, but John henry who married Cissie Evans in 1917 cert says that his father John Henry was deceased, so John Henry (Clara's brother) b 1867, married Mary Harris in 1888, had a wife on the census named Louisa in 1901,d before 1917

[Northern Lass]

Wonder if on the 1891 census that family next door to John Moore and Mary ( nee Harris ) are Mary's parents

Joseph Harris
and Phoebe age for both 40 somat can't read it
Phoebe b W'ton
Joseph C. heath

Joseph and Phoebe have a dau on the 1891 called Leah

and on the 1901 John H Moore and Louisa there is a dau called Leah
so I think Mary was alive up to 1897
I wonder if that Louisa is just mistranscribed
and is really Mary
only way to find out is to find a marriage which doesnt seem to be
or get birth cert of that Samuel or Levi?

[linell]

Hi Sharon regarding the Census details for Wm Guise and Clara, it reads to me that Wm was born in Crowle Worcestershire. He moved to Cradley Heath met and Married Clara Moore. After being a Labourer in the Cradley Chain Works he moved to the lovely Village of Broadwas with his family as a Farm Labourer. Perhaps the work ran out, and the family had no option to return to Cradley, perhaps Clara missed her family? Speaking of which they are like gold dust to find. I did find Charles in Cradley in 1881, details below, but the others are a mystery, I think they all emigrated?

4 Parade Cradley
Charles Moore 25 born Cradley Agent
Sarah Wife 29 born Cradley
Charles V. 1 born Cradley

Richard and Phoebe Bridgewater are next door, think they are Sarah's parents
Marriage at Old Swinford 1879 for Charles Moore and Sarah Bridgewater.

Best Wishes from linell.

[Sharon]

Thank you again NL & Linnell
can you explain why so many married at Oldswinford back then, when surely Halesowen , Dudley or Rowley were nearer?
my lot seem good (or lazy!) at marrying next door neighbours!
I'd better shut up, my hubby grew up in the next street! (It's clearly in the genes!)
Sharon

[Northern Lass]

Hi Sharon

Well all I know is that Dudley and Halesowen seem to me when I do look ups to be the most popular..

Talking of which I had a look at that marriage today for John Moore and Ann Turner

I wanted to see if William was deceased on it.
I know you have posted the info

he is not down as deceased and they put abode as Stourbridge so right area for Oldswinford...not that that means much

So he must be on the census this William Moore
Stumped!

[linell]

I think I found John Moore in 1851, wrongly transcribed as Mooren. He was Irish?

Baptist Road Cradley 1851
Wm Hartland HD M 53 Tracemaker Cradley
Mary Wife M 48 Halesowen
Rhoda D 22 Cradley
Martha D 19 Cradley
Charlotte D 8 Cradley
Thomas Son 2 months Cradley
John Mooren LG U 22 Labourer in Iron Works IRL
Humphrey Davies LG U 23 Labourer in Iron Works IRL

I checked and John is not in Cradley in 1841, probably in Ireland. Presumably his family are also in Ireland?
Sharon Old Swinford Church is not far from Cradley, only about 3 miles, back in the old days people could cut through the fields, which would make a big difference as to walking around all the roads that are there today. HTH from linell.

[linell]

Thanks Jimmy & Northern Lass
I too, am glazing over now.......
I have no death details on any of the family...

The Clara news is brand new to me..I have a question..
john henry, harry & Alfred are with Clara on the 1881 census. Is it possible that they were visiting on the day?
I have no Alfred recorded as a sibling from the other census details, but an Albert H (1863) Have I got the name wrong?
and where would the remainder of the children be? (Charles, Thomas, Harriet E & Ann R)

Hi Sharon, I found Ann R Moore in 1881, in an Institution or Workhouse, doesn't even say where it was? From the births of the Matrons children, they were all born in Wales, so I presume this Workshouse was maybe in Wales? I can't find John Ann or Harriet, they probably died, that is why John Henry, Alfred and Harry are living with their sister Clara. Ann R must have returned to Cradley, I found a Marriage for what looks like her at St Peters in 1899 to Jesse Round. Maybe a good idea to find the deaths of John and Ann, they must have died in Cradley so would have been Stourbridge Registration District, there was a lot of Cholera and Smallpox around at that time, not good linell.

[Northern Lass]

Hi Sharon

I have looked up the Clara Moore and William Guise marriage

and it shows that John Moore father was deceased by 26 July 1880
now there was a Kingswinford death in 1880 but the guy was 65!

here is the link re the marriage look up.......
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =182234720

[linell]

Who was the Witness Ellen Moore NL??

[Northern Lass]

dont know Linell maybe a wife of one of Claras sibs

[Northern Lass]

Not sure where to go with this one for the moment.....we know that John Moore died between 1871 and 1880 by his dau Claras marriage
so it might be an idea to find a death cert and tie down his death

can anyone see a likely one?

I wonder if he was actually born way before 1827?

[Sharon]

Hi helpers!
Well done detectives..makes you quite emotional doesnt it? Now spreading to Wales & Ireland! I kinda had a feeling about Ireland, dont know why....guess this is where it stops. There again, he must have died and been buried somewhere?!
How do you do what you do? You should run evening classes! You know more about my family than I do!

Thank you so much for giving up your time for me....This has meant so much.
Sharon

[Northern Lass]

Our pleasure Sharon anything else you need looked up just ask us!
If we can do it we will!

Going to archive this now unless otherwise advised
so within 24 hrs

[mallosa]

...hang on! I've come in at the tale end of this, I maybe totally wrong but I have found this Death:

Death 1879
Moore John 50 Dudley 6c 2