COMPLETED Haines/Hillman/Silsby antecedents

[Jimmy]

I think its the right one with the wrong birth place put on census.

[SRD]

Also the wrong age for James, all other results suggest a birth year of 1837, 1836 at the earliest and 1838 at the latest, and see my earlier comments about James parents, if Charles and Ann are the parents then James was born out of wedlock, or he isn't as old as the other results suggest. And I've lost track of Phoebe and Emily for the 1881 census.

edit: Of course he may have been economical with the truth about his birth date if he knew he was born out of wedlock in an effort to make his parents wedding year and his birth year more respectable.

[Jimmy]

This looks like the same one, I wouldn't worry about the slight age difference.

1841. Hurst Perpoint, Sussex.
Charles Silsby 50. Ag lab.
Ann Silsby 45.
Catharine Silsby 15.
James Silsby 5.
All born in county.

1851. Twineham, Sussex.
Charles Silsby 63. Ag lab. Shermanbury, Sussex.
Ann Silsby 60. Cowfold, Sussex.
James Silsby 14. Son. Ag lab. Twineham, Sussex.
David Simmons 24.

1861. Twineham, Sussex.
Charles Silsby 74. Ag lab. Shermanbury, Sussex.
Ann Silsby 69. Cowfold, Sussex.
James Silsby 24. Son. Ag lab. Woodmancote, Sussex.

Possible.
Charles Silsby.
Bride's Name: Ann Parsons.
Marriage Date: 12 Oct 1810.
Marriage Place: Shermanbury,Sussex.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M07103-1.
System Origin: England-ODM.
Source Film Number: 918472.

[Jimmy]

Woodmancote is only about 7 miles from Twineham.

[SRD]

Thanks Jimmy, I don't suppose you've had any joy with Phoebe and Emily have you?

[Jimmy]

Do you mean this Emily.
1881.
George HEASMAN Head M Male 57 Shipley, Sussex, England Baker (Master Employing 3 Men & 1 Lad)
Fanny HEASMAN Wife M Female 50 Shipley, Sussex, England
Phoebe HEASMAN Daur U Female 23 Warnham, Sussex, England Cashier
Sarah WELLS Serv Female 15 Washington, Sussex, England General Serv
Emily SELSBY Serv Female 14 Twineham, Sussex, England Shop Assistant
Henry GATES Serv U Male 25 Goring, Sussex, England Baker Assistant
George JONES Serv U Male 22 Westergate, Sussex, England Baker Assistant
Alfred W. JAMES Serv U Male 21 Baxted, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England Baker Assistant
Thomas S. READ Serv Male 16 Melborne Regis, Dorset, England Errand Boy

73 Montague Street.
Broadwater, Sussex.

[Jimmy]

And this one,1881.
William HEASMAN Head M Male 26 Horsham, Sussex, England Confectioner
Ellen L. HEASMAN Wife M Female 27 Cerne Abbas, Dorset, England
Alice M. HEASMAN Daur Female 2 Worthing, Sussex, England
Eva K. HEASMAN Daur Female 9 m Worthing, Sussex, England
Phabe SILSBY Servt U Female 16 Twineham, Sussex, England General Servt Dom

16 Grafton Road.
Broadwater, Sussex.

[Jimmy]

Marriages Dec 1888.
MILLER Arthur. Cuckfield. 2b. 335.
SHRIMPTON James. Cuckfield. 2b. 335.
SILSBY Phoebe. Cuckfield. 2b. 335.
TIDEY Lydia. Cuckfield. 2b. 335.

James Shrimpton.
Bride's Name: Phoebe Silsby.
Marriage Date: 10 Nov 1888.
Marriage Place: Cowfold, Sussex.
Groom's Father's Name: James Shrimpton.
Bride's Father's Name: James Silsby.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03925-4.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1041578.
Reference Number: item 2.

1891. 9 Victoria Mews, Hove.
John Schrempton 29. Coachman, Groom, domestic servant. London.
Phoebe Schrempton 27. Twineham.
James R Schrempton 1. Son. Hove.
Albert P Schrempton 3/12. Son. Hove.
Alfred B Wildes 19. Lodger.

[SRD]

Thanks Jimmy, I'd used Search to find 'Phoebe Silsby' and nowt came up, that'll larn me and I'd never have thought of looking for a Schrempton. I wonder if the Heasmans are those that James & Fanny lodged with in later life; it looks like the families were close if only on a master/servant basis.

There's someone at the SFHG investigating Heasmans, I must get in touch.

[SRD]

I've had a meeting with a cousin who has extensively researched the Haines connection so I think we can archive this thread, it was getting very messy anyway, if I need your help on any of them again I'll start a new thread, Thanks for all your help.