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He's not with his parents in 1841, he is listed as 20 and I have him living alone.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss ... 996_g32768

Pete I know you don't have ancestry so you wont see that but

1841 Green Hill? HIll halesowen
William Toy 20

it then becomes Crock st
and on next page

William Toy Smith 45
Sarah Toy 40

might be useful to decipher who he is living near Wm Toy jnr

Nick if you post census post it transcribed as image for us
as not everyone has ances
go into actual image and write down and post as it says

so william living on his own or lodging with some one ?

Northern Lass wrote:Pete I know you don't have ancestry so you wont see that but

1841 Green Hill? HIll halesowen
William Toy 20

it then becomes Crock st
and on next page

William Toy Smith 45
Sarah Toy 40

might be useful to decipher who he is living near Wm Toy jnr

Nick if you post census post it transcribed as image for us
as not everyone has ances
go into actual image and write down and post as it says

Ah sorry. I'll post this instead - this is my findings in summary.

Generation 1

Nick George Toye b 1975 Chester
Married Joanne Copple b 1980 Birkenhead

Generation 2

Graham Charles Toye b 1950 Chester
Married Jeanette Keep b 1953 Chester

Generation 3

George Henry Toye b 1925 Chester d 1925
Married Vera Isobel Trimble b 1923 Sunderland d 1975 Chester

Generation 4

Thomas Toye b 1883 Quinton, Worc d 1953 Chester
Married Emily Darby b 1882 Walsall d 1960 Chester

1891

Age 7

5 Hagley Road
Quinton
Worcestershire

Family

Father - Edwin Toye 30 - Bricklayer
Mother - Ellen Toye 31
Brother - David Toye 5
Sister - Eliza Toye 2

1901

Age 17 - Grocer

District Certified Industrial School, Chester 
Chester
Cheshire

Family

Brother - David Toye 15 - Errand Boy

Thomas and David were placed in this school sometime after 1893 as there are no more evidence of them living in Quinton, nor their parents being alive - which is still in question.

1911

Age 27 - Unknown

8 Chapel Terrace
Tarvin Road
Chester

Need to research the 1911 site.

Generation 5

Edwin Toy b 1860 Hill, Worc d ?
Married Ellen Walford b abt 1858 Kidderminster, Worc d ?

1861

Age 11 months

34 Crock Street
Hill
Worcestershire

Family

Father - William Toy 41 - Nail Maker
Mother - Eliza Toy 35 - Nail Maker
Brother - William Toy 14 - Nail Maker
Brother - Thomas Toy 12 - Nail Maker
Sister - Jane Toy 9 - Scholar

Notable Neighbours

35 Crock Street

William Toy (Grandfather) 68 - Jobbing Smith
Sarah Toy (Grandmother) 63 - Nail Maker

1871

Age 11 - Scholar

1 Crock Street
Hill
Worcestershire

Family

Father - William Toy 50 - Nail Maker
Mother - Eliza Toy 45 - Nail Maker
Brother - William Toy 24 - Brick Layer
Sister - Phoebe Toy 6 - Scholar
Brother - David Toy 1

Jane Toy died in 1868 aged 16
The original transcript of this census had the Toy's as Foy, and was therefore difficult to locate.

Notable Neighbours

5 Crock Street

Thomas Toy (Brother) 22 - Glass Maker
Sarah Toy (Sister-In-Law) 21 - Nail Maker
Eliza Jane (Niece) 7 months (perhaps named after their sister Jane who died in 1868)

6 Crock Street

Sarah Toy (Grandmother) 73 (Widow)- Nail Maker



1881

Age 20 - Bricklayer

Lower Quinton
Ridgacre
Worcestershire

Family

Wife - Ellen Toy 23 - Polisher (Artizan)


1891

Age 30 - Bricklayer

5 Hagley Road
Quinton
Worcestershire

Family

Wife - Ellen Toye 31 (? doesn't add up, should be 33 at least)
Son - Thomas Toye 7
Son - David Toye 5
Daughter - Eliza Toye 2

Seems to be this census where the name Toy became Toye.
Need to check on Ellen's age, she should be 33 not 31.

Generation 6

William Toy b 1821 Halesowen, Worc d 1878 Stourbridge, Worc
Married Eliza C Parkes b abt 1826 Long Lane, Worc d 1913 Staffordshire

1841

Age 20 - Nail Forger

Green Hill
Hill
Worcestershire


1851

Age 30 - Nail Forger

Hurst Green
Quinton
Worcestershire

Family

Wife - Eliza Toy 25 - Nail Forger
Son - Thomas Toy 2


1861

Age 41 - Nail Maker

34 Crock Street
Hill
Worcestershire

Family

Wife - Eliza Toy 35 - Nail Maker
Son - William Toy 14 - Nail Maker
Son - Thomas Toy 12 - Nail Maker
Daughter - Jane Toy 9 - Scholar
Son - Edwin Toy 11 months

Notable Neighbours

35 Crock Street

William Toy (Father) 68 - Jobbing Smith
Sarah Toy (Mother) 63 - Nail Maker







1871

Age 50 - Nail Maker

1 Crock Street
Hill
Worcestershire

Family

Wife - Eliza Toy 45 - Nail Maker
Son - William Toy 24 - Brick Layer
Son - Edwin Toy 11 - Scholar
Daughter - Phoebe 6 - Scholar
Son - David Toy 1

Notable Neighbours

5 Crock Street

Thomas Toy (Son) 22 - Glass Maker
Sarah Toy (Daughter-In-Law) 21 - Nail Maker
Eliza Jane (Granddaughter) 7 months (perhaps named after their sister Jane who died in 1868)

6 Crock Street

Sarah Toy (Mother) 73 (Widow)- Nail Maker

Generation 7

William Toy b 1796 Ridgacre, Worc d before 1871 ?
Married Sarah ? b 1798 Long Lane, Worc d 1883 Shropshire

1841

Age 45 - Smith

Crock Street
Hill
Worcestershire

Family

Wife - Sarah Toy 40

1851

Age 60 - Jobber Smith (Age in dispute, says b abbt 1791 on census - should be 55)

15 Crock Street
Hill
Worcestershire

Family

Wife - Sarah Toy 53 - Nailer

1861

Age 68 - Jobber Smith (Age inconsistent again here, should be 65)

35 Crock Street
Hill
Worcestershire

Family

Wife - Sarah Toy 63 - Nail Maker

Notable Neighbours

34 Crock Street

William Toy (Son/Son-in-law) 41 - Nail Maker
Eliza Toy (Daughter-in-law) 35 - Nail Maker
William Toy (Grandson) 14 - Nail Maker
Thomas Toy (Grandson) 12 - Nail Maker
Jane Toy (Granddaughter) 9 - Scholar
Edwin Toy (Grandson) 11 months

Notes

Discovered recently that Sarah and William married in 1836, and were both seen as widowers on the certificate, so not possible that Sarah is the mother of William b 1820.

Jimmy wrote:1851. they are in Crock St. indexed as Foy.
William Toy age 60. Jobbing Smith.
Sarah Toy. age 55 or 55.

In my Parish Records the above say Wm was from Halesowen and Sarah was from Dudley.

HTH Linell.

Found this Sarah Toy in New England The Hill Halesowen 1881:-

Thomas CUTLER Head M Male 56 Halesowen, Worcester, England General Laborer
Ann CUTLER Wife M Female 50 Halesowen, Worcester, England
William CUTLER Son U Male 19 Halesowen, Worcester, England Rivet Maker
Emily CUTLER Daur U Female 17 Halesowen, Worcester, England Nail Maker
Kate CUTLER Daur U Female 15 Halesowen, Worcester, England Nail Maker
Christopher CUTLER Son Male 12 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Timothy DUNE Bro In Law Male 56 Halesowen, Worcester, England Nail Maker
Sarah TOY Lodger W Female 82 Halesowen, Worcester, England

Linell.

New England? Isn't that in the US?

It is in Halesowen not sure if a road or area

New England Is a road off Long Lane, my Aunt used to live there

Still there.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=halesow ... CB4Q8gEwAA

Northern Lass wrote:I would find that Sarah Bibb prev marriage
I can't see it but only had a quick look

On the 1841 go up and down Crock St seeing if any more Toys
other than the ones we know of ie Wm Toy aged 18 and Wm Toy and Sarah

Wm Toy snr and Sarah Bibb were married prev
who to? and where?

I can move this to Brick Walls and we can then leave it to be chipped away at

The IGI has a marriage

Henry Bibb to Sarah Smart 25th Dec 1823 Dudley

It is, alas, member submitted and does not give the church, just Dudley. Judging by the other entries in the batch then it may have been done by someone looking at Smart family.

So, question is: if it is not in the IGI as an extracted entry then which church is more likely?

It is St Thomas Dudley
there are loads like that when I look them up

well done gardener


someone stick that for a look up and I will do it

And how did you find it?
What did you use
I put in Bibb in Lds but you have to put a first name if you put in spouse as Sarah
and on Hugh wallis you need an area

So come on how did you do it

I put in Bibb as surname and then just looked down until I saw a marriage that looked possible as far as date and place went. Good thing it wasn't to a Smith!

I'll add the lookup NL but that list looks terribly long!

I will do that one this week
as I am interested to see any wits on it

and I cleared batch B and with Rockys help we are getting there